RASIE 🦦Jul 27, 2020·1 reply
saceit's french for black?
The french invented the term in the 30s, and several of the classic American noirs were remakes/indebted to earlier french films
- OPJul 27, 2020·1 replyRASIE
The french invented the term in the 30s, and several of the classic American noirs were remakes/indebted to earlier french films
im just grabbing snippets from different sites like wikipedia.. it could be loose definition
- RASIE 🦦Jul 27, 2020·1 replysace
im just grabbing snippets from different sites like wikipedia.. it could be loose definition Pick up this book if you ever have some cash to spare. It's an incredible resource and contemplation on film noir.
Naremore is so great. I've got a few of his books and they're some of the most engaging film books I've read recently. Planning to start his Charles Burnett book soon.
- OPJul 27, 2020RASIE
Pick up this book if you ever have some cash to spare. It's an incredible resource and contemplation on film noir.
Naremore is so great. I've got a few of his books and they're some of the most engaging film books I've read recently. Planning to start his Charles Burnett book soon.
added to my wishlist
i also have the taschen film noir book on my wishlist too, will be looking for both
Jul 27, 2020·edited@op co-signing Rasie on this, wrote a paper about Twin Peaks and film noir and Naremore is easily the best resource on the topic. However that's a very very in-depth discussion. You really gotta have academic interest into this to really read the whole thing. For the more casual interest his Very Short Introduction to Film Noir (v good series from Oxford University Press) would definitely suffice, does an excellent job of condensing it to a more accessibly written broad outline of 100 (small) pages, just giving you the quick rundown of his important points in More Than Night. It lacks the more in-depth discussion and a***ysis tho of course
Naremore comes from a comparative lit background too and shows some of the relationship of lit and noir as well, good stuff.
Jul 27, 2020·1 reply
MangoHaven't seen Le Samourai. I have seen Bob the Gangster though. That and Becker's Hands Off the Loot are both wonderful. Bertolucci's The Conformist is still prob my favorite non-english noir.
the conformist
legendary- Jul 27, 2020·1 replyTwoGunTommy
the conformist
legendaryAnd I did see Le Samourai since that post.
- Jul 27, 2020·1 replyMango
And I did see Le Samourai since that post.
u like le samourai more?
- Jul 27, 2020·1 replyTwoGunTommy
u like le samourai more?
Nah, I liked how much more moody and emotional La Conformista was. Le Samourai is very repressed. It is great at showing the process of espionage though. Just the chess game of intelligence work. It reserves the identity crisis of the job for the end with that one subtle sideways glance at leaving his bird as well as visiting the lover you thought he was just lukewarm on. It's a really good film. I didn't connect with it on the same level though.
- Jul 27, 2020sace
it's french for black?
yeah that's just straight up false tho fam, that's not what it's often called lol, it's always called noir. Black Cinema is the modern term for what used to be the flawed "African American Cinema"
Naremore also says the racial association is likely one big reason the French term caught on better
- Jul 27, 2020·1 replyMango
Nah, I liked how much more moody and emotional La Conformista was. Le Samourai is very repressed. It is great at showing the process of espionage though. Just the chess game of intelligence work. It reserves the identity crisis of the job for the end with that one subtle sideways glance at leaving his bird as well as visiting the lover you thought he was just lukewarm on. It's a really good film. I didn't connect with it on the same level though.
le samourai cool but the conformist is a superior film on every aspect
have u seen investigation of a citizen above suspicion?
i think this also fits neo noir - Jul 27, 2020·1 replyTwoGunTommy
le samourai cool but the conformist is a superior film on every aspect
have u seen investigation of a citizen above suspicion?
i think this also fits neo noirI'll have to check it out. Thanks for the rec.
- Jul 27, 2020Mango
I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the rec.
gian maria volonte is bonkers. don't watch the english dubbed version
they killed his performance - OPAug 8, 2020
Just downloaded James Naremore's book on Noir and I'm hooked on it though. I'll update my definition of it's itself.
Aug 8, 2020·1 replyFinished all the Bogie-Bacall films. Didn’t expect much from it but I enjoyed Dark Passage a lot. Kind of a silly plot but regardless I was hooked.
Id ranked them :
1. The Big Sleep
2. Dark Passage
3. To Have and Have Not
4. Key Largo
Aug 18, 2020·1 replyKyeezus2Finished all the Bogie-Bacall films. Didn’t expect much from it but I enjoyed Dark Passage a lot. Kind of a silly plot but regardless I was hooked.
Id ranked them :
1. The Big Sleep
2. Dark Passage
3. To Have and Have Not
4. Key Largoi thought key largo was gonna be better but idk i got kinda bored. still need to see 2 and 3 though. been watching so many noirs i get distracted
- Aug 18, 2020waterbug
i thought key largo was gonna be better but idk i got kinda bored. still need to see 2 and 3 though. been watching so many noirs i get distracted
I feel you on Key Largo I wasn’t too impressed either. Definitely give Dark Passage a try. I won’t say it’s a great movie but it’s definitely entertaining!
To Have and Have Not is okay but only for Bogie and Bacall. I’d actually recommend watching instead The Breaking Point which is an adaptation of the same story that came out a few years later that’s A LOT better and one of the most underrated noirs.
- Aug 20, 2020·edited
I find myself liking the Ladd-Lake noirs over the Bogart-Bacall noirs. Is this a hot take? I havent see all of their films but I really liked the Blue Dahlia and This Gun For Hire
Aug 20, 2020indicator's new box set
Nov 10, 2020·1 replyAyo I just started watching Film noir films.
Can somebody tell me if this scene/picture has a chiaroscuro effect?
- Nov 10, 2020sace· edited
A Thread for all things Noir!
Film Noir is often debated as in standard histories goes that originated in America in the 40's. Most of it comes from emerging hard-boiled fictions and greater influence in German Expressionism of the 20's. The term also associated with visual narrative traits from low-key photography, wet city streets, Freudian characterizations, and romantic fascination with femme fatale. The term itself later reference the trend of "burgeoning genre" of Hollywood films described as above imported to Europe in 1946. Many critics used that a***ogy called "serie noire". Noir sometimes have themes of fatalism, hopelessness, and moral corruption.
Film Noir is broad in terms how times changed since its inception. Classic Noir films started in the 1940's to 1960's while the genre revitalize itself to color called Neo-Noir started in 1970's to today.
Essential Classic Noir Films 1940 - 1960- The Maltese Falcon (1941) dir. John Huston
- Double Indemnity (1944) dir. BIlly Wilder
- Out of the Past (1947) dir. Jacques Tourneur
- The Big Sleep (1946) dir. Howard Hawks
- Sunset Boulevard (1950) dir. Billy Wilder
- The Asphalt Jungle (1950) dir. John Huston
- The Lady from Shanghai (1948) dir. Orson Welles
- Touch of Evil (1958) dir. Orson Welles
- The Stranger (1946) dir Orson Welles
- Kiss Me Deadly (1955) dir. Robert Aldrich
- The Big Heat (1953) dir. Fritz Lang
- In a Lonely Place (1950) dir. Nicholas Ray
- Detour (1945) dir. Edgar G. Ulmer
- The Night of the Hunter (1955) dir. Charles Laughton
- Gilda (1946) dir. Charles Vidor
- The Long Goodbye (1973) dir. Robert Altman
- Cutter's Way (1981) dir. Ivan Passer
- Hardcore (1979) dir. Paul Schrader
- Chinatown (1974) dir. Roman Polanski
- Thief (1981) dir. Michael Mann
- Blue Velvet (1986) dir. David Lynch
- To Live and Die in L.A. (1985) dir. William Friedkin
- Blade Runner (1982) dir. Ridley Scott
- Blood Simple (1984) dir. Coen Bros
- The Big Lebowski (1998) dir. Coen Bros
- Point Blank (1967) dir. John Boorman
- Atlantic City (1980) dir. Louis Malle
- The French Connection (1971) dir. William Friedkin
- Breathless (1960) dir. Jean-Luc Godard
- Band of Outsiders (1964) dir. Jean-Luc Godard
- Alphaville (1965) dir. Jean-Luc Godard
- Shoot the Piano Player (1960) dir. Fracois Truffaut
- Bob Flambeur (1957) dir. Jean-Pierre Melville
- Le Doulos (1963) dir. Jean-Pierre Melville
- Le Samourai (1967) dir. Jean-Pierre Melville
- Le Cercle Rouge (1970) dir. Jean-Pierre Melville
- Un Flic (1972) dir. Jean-Pierre Melville
- Le Deuxième Souffle (1966) dir. Jean-Pierre Melville
- Elevator to the Gallows (1958) dir. Louis Malle
- Rififi (1955) dir. Jules Dassin
- M (1931) dir. Fritz Lang
- The American Friend (1977) dir. Wim Wenders
- Stray Dog (1949) dir. Akira Kurosawa
- The Bad Sleep Well (1960) dir. Akira Kurosawa
- Drunken Angel (1948) dir. Akira Kurosawa
- High and Low (1963) dir. Akira Kurosawa
- A Colt Is My Passport (1967) dir. Takashi Nomura
- Cruel Gun Story (1964) dir. Takumi Furukawa
- Pale Flower (1964) dir. Masahiro Shinoda
- Branded to Kill (1967) dir. Seijun Suzuki
- Tokyo Drifter (1966) dir. Seijun Suzuki
- The Third Man (1949) dir. Carol Reed
- Brighton Rock (1947) dir. Richard Boulting
- Odd Man Out (1947) dir. Carol Reed
- The Killers (1946) dir. Robert Siodmak
- Criss Cross (1949) dir. Robert Siodmak
- The Killing (1956) dir. Stanley Kubrick
- Killer's Kiss (1955) dir. Stanley Kubrick
- Nightfall (1956) dir. Jacques Tourneur
- Laura (1944) dir. Otto Preminger
- He Walked By Night (1948) dir. Anthony Mann
- T-Men (1947) dir. Anthony Mann
- Raw Deal (1948) dir. Anthony Mann
- I Walk Alone (1947) dir. Byron Haskin
- Born to Kill (1947) dir. Robert Wise
- Odds Against Tomorrow (1959) dir. Robert Wise
- Berlin Express (1948) dir. Jacques Tourneur
- Key Largo (1948) dir John Huston
- They Live By Night (1948) dir. Nicholas Ray
- The Breaking Point (1950) dir. Michael Curtiz
- The Hitch-Hiker (1953) dir. Ida Lupino
- The Woman In the Window (1944) dir. Fritz Lang
- Scarlet Street (1945) dir. Fritz Lang
- Human Desire (1954) dir. Fritz Lang
- The Big Combo (1955) dir. Joseph H. Lewis
- Mr. Arkadin (1955) dir. Orson Welles
- The Man With the Golden Arm (1955) dir. Otto Preminger
- Brute Force (1947) dir. Jules Dassin
- Thieves' Highway (1949) dir. Jules Dassin
- The Naked City (1948) dir. Jules Dassin
- Night and the City 1950) dir. Jules Dassin
- D.O.A. (1949) dir. Rudolph Mate
- Gun Crazy (1950) dir. Joseph H. Lewis
- Force of Evil (1948) dir. Abraham Polonsky
- Mildred Pierce (1945) dir. Michael Curtiz
- Pickup On South Street (1953) dir. Samuel Fuller
- The Set-Up (1949) dir. Robert Wise
- Dark Passage (1947) dir. Delmer Daves
- Night Moves (1975) dir. Arthur Penn
- The Killing of the Chinese Bookie (1976) dir. John Cassavetes
- On Dangerous Ground (1951) dir. Nicholas Ray
- Kiss of Death (1947) dir. Henry Hathaway
- The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946) dir. Tay Garnett
- High Sierra (1941) dir. Raoul Walsh
- Leave Her to Heaven (1945) dir. John M. Stahl
- Somewhere in the Night (1946) dir. Joseph L. Mankiewicz
- Nightmare Alley (1947) dir. Edmund Goulding
- Body and Soul (1947) dir. Robert Rossen
- Moonrise (1948) dir. Frank Borzage
- Angel Face (1953) dir. Otto Preminger
- Where the Sidewalk Ends (1950) dir. Otto Preminger
- My Name is Julia Ross (1945) dir. Joseph H. Lewis
- Murder, My Sweet (1944) dir. Edward Dmytryk
- Whirlpool (1949) dir. Otto Preminger
- No Way Out (1950) dir. Joseph L. Mankiewicz
- This Gun for Hire (1942) dir. Frank Tuttle
- The Glass Key (1942) dir. Stuart Heisler
- The Blue Dahlia (1946) dir. George Marshall
- Tête d'un homme (1933) dir. Julien Duvivier
- Pépé le Moko (1937) dir. Julien Duvivier
- L'assassin habite au 21 (1942) dir. Henri-Georges Clouzot
- Quai des Orfèvres (1947) dir. Henri-Georges Clouzot
- Touchez Pas au Grisbi (1954) dir. Jacques Becker
- Classe tous risques (1960) dir. Claude Sautet
- Mélodie en sous-sol (1963) dir. Henri Verneuil
- Deadlier Than the Male (1956) dir. Julien Duvivier
- Intimidation (1960) dir. Koreyoshi Kurahara
- Take Aim at the Police Van (1960) dir. Seijun Suzuki
- Stakeout (1958) dir. Yoshitaro Nomura
- Rusty Knife (1958) dir. Toshio Masuda
- PIgs and Battleships (1962) dir. Shohei Imamura
- Youth of the Beast (1963) dir. Seijun Suzuki
Lists:
https://letterboxd.com/pileofcrowns/list/1000-noir-films-they-shot-dark-pictures-didnt/
https://www2.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/10-great-american-film-noirs
https://www.eddiemuller.com/top25noir.htmldiscuss Noir films and recommend them.
I‘m gonna write a a***ysis for the movie "The Dark Corner" so don‘t get annoyed if I ask questions
- Nov 10, 2020·1 replyxxxkiraxxx
Ayo I just started watching Film noir films.
Can somebody tell me if this scene/picture has a chiaroscuro effect?wouldn't say that it does when mari shoots cathcart but there's plenty of it moments before, e.g. when hardy backs him up against the wall while pointing a gun at him
then again i could b wrong
- Nov 10, 2020·1 replydundis
wouldn't say that it does when mari shoots cathcart but there's plenty of it moments before, e.g. when hardy backs him up against the wall while pointing a gun at him
then again i could b wrong
Do you know who the femme fatal of the movie is?
- Nov 10, 2020·1 replyxxxkiraxxx
Do you know who the femme fatal of the movie is?
mari cathcart def
dangerous, trophy wife, cheats on her husband with jardine who he had killed i think
- Nov 10, 2020dundis
mari cathcart def
dangerous, trophy wife, cheats on her husband with jardine who he had killed i think
Thank you bro
