I think some arguments can be rationalized. But Ye d***riders even rationalize the points that can’t be, don’t need to be or shouldn’t be rationalized which drags down everything in the conversation surrounding Ye
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean-Paul Sartre
This is getting dumb. Sartre was a french poet that litteraly live during the war and saw the horror the nazi did to the jews.
I'm not defending ye's idea, but he is all takling about businesses, and a lot of people act like he said he wanted to murder jews.
And when people overreating about something, there's always the other camp that will overreact. That's why we saw those f***ing douchebags on the highway, making nazi salute.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean-Paul Sartre
have to do this because it's starting to become a bad habit of mine but you are 100% right op
I see these posts and I don’t get why they’re here
KTT is more negative about ye than Twitter, youtube and tiktok
it's never bad to do them
@sizzabella
https://ktt2.com/ye-isnt-being-antisemitic-32535923
sabsad comment
This is getting dumb. Sartre was a french poet that litteraly live during the war and saw the horror the nazi did to the jews.
I'm not defending ye's idea, but he is all takling about businesses, and a lot of people act like he said he wanted to murder jews.
And when people overreating about something, there's always the other camp that will overreact. That's why we saw those f***ing douchebags on the highway, making nazi salute.
obviously what ye is doing is not like literal neo-nazism. no one really thinks that. however like, its just not true that he's focusing only on business people - he's using a fixation on business people around him as an excuse to make absurd statements about jews as a whole; he's made this much clear in his interviews. all the business stuff is because he thinks these are figureheads of a wider jewish conspiracy, it's not because he's literally just fixating on them in a vacuum.
the stuff he's saying is getting way beyond like s*** other rappers like Lupe Fiasco have said about like "jewish businessmen" or whatever. dude is going on podcasts and engaging in borderline holocaust denial, posting fabricated memes from 4chan's /pol/ board which legit originated on stormfront, and is enabling actually dangerous rhetoric more than he is just saying some s*** about corrupt business people. the stuff he's saying on like the lex fridman podcast is way more than just calling out corruption in the music industry or s***talking zionism or something. you can clearly tell he's parroting talking points of someone else because on top of all of this anti-jew s*** he's spitting absolutely wild anti-black rhetoric at the same time with the floyd stuff for example. he's getting all this s*** from the same source, it goes hand in hand.
whether or not people want to chalk this up to him being a bad person or it just being a symptom of mania is up to individual themselves. clearly the dude isn't doing well regardless but it's an incredibly questionable fixation regardless which should be rightfully condemned. the fact he's even fixating on jews to the extent he'd condemn his own custody lawyer for telling him not to say crazy s*** in public thinking that means he's part of some hollywood cabal says enough.
obviously what ye is doing is not like literal neo-nazism. no one really thinks that. however like, its just not true that he's focusing only on business people - he's using a fixation on business people around him as an excuse to make absurd statements about jews as a whole; he's made this much clear in his interviews. all the business stuff is because he thinks these are figureheads of a wider jewish conspiracy, it's not because he's literally just fixating on them in a vacuum.
the stuff he's saying is getting way beyond like s*** other rappers like Lupe Fiasco have said about like "jewish businessmen" or whatever. dude is going on podcasts and engaging in borderline holocaust denial, posting fabricated memes from 4chan's /pol/ board which legit originated on stormfront, and is enabling actually dangerous rhetoric more than he is just saying some s*** about corrupt business people. the stuff he's saying on like the lex fridman podcast is way more than just calling out corruption in the music industry or s***talking zionism or something. you can clearly tell he's parroting talking points of someone else because on top of all of this anti-jew s*** he's spitting absolutely wild anti-black rhetoric at the same time with the floyd stuff for example. he's getting all this s*** from the same source, it goes hand in hand.
whether or not people want to chalk this up to him being a bad person or it just being a symptom of mania is up to individual themselves. clearly the dude isn't doing well regardless but it's an incredibly questionable fixation regardless which should be rightfully condemned. the fact he's even fixating on jews to the extent he'd condemn his own custody lawyer for telling him not to say crazy s*** in public thinking that means he's part of some hollywood cabal says enough.
agree with everything except the first sentence
obviously what ye is doing is not like literal neo-nazism. no one really thinks that. however like, its just not true that he's focusing only on business people - he's using a fixation on business people around him as an excuse to make absurd statements about jews as a whole; he's made this much clear in his interviews. all the business stuff is because he thinks these are figureheads of a wider jewish conspiracy, it's not because he's literally just fixating on them in a vacuum.
the stuff he's saying is getting way beyond like s*** other rappers like Lupe Fiasco have said about like "jewish businessmen" or whatever. dude is going on podcasts and engaging in borderline holocaust denial, posting fabricated memes from 4chan's /pol/ board which legit originated on stormfront, and is enabling actually dangerous rhetoric more than he is just saying some s*** about corrupt business people. the stuff he's saying on like the lex fridman podcast is way more than just calling out corruption in the music industry or s***talking zionism or something. you can clearly tell he's parroting talking points of someone else because on top of all of this anti-jew s*** he's spitting absolutely wild anti-black rhetoric at the same time with the floyd stuff for example. he's getting all this s*** from the same source, it goes hand in hand.
whether or not people want to chalk this up to him being a bad person or it just being a symptom of mania is up to individual themselves. clearly the dude isn't doing well regardless but it's an incredibly questionable fixation regardless which should be rightfully condemned. the fact he's even fixating on jews to the extent he'd condemn his own custody lawyer for telling him not to say crazy s*** in public thinking that means he's part of some hollywood cabal says enough.
Borderline holocaust denial?
Borderline holocaust denial?
TBH the explicit denial will come soon
Can’t wait for him to talk about wooden gas chambers and the soccer fields
obviously what ye is doing is not like literal neo-nazism. no one really thinks that. however like, its just not true that he's focusing only on business people - he's using a fixation on business people around him as an excuse to make absurd statements about jews as a whole; he's made this much clear in his interviews. all the business stuff is because he thinks these are figureheads of a wider jewish conspiracy, it's not because he's literally just fixating on them in a vacuum.
the stuff he's saying is getting way beyond like s*** other rappers like Lupe Fiasco have said about like "jewish businessmen" or whatever. dude is going on podcasts and engaging in borderline holocaust denial, posting fabricated memes from 4chan's /pol/ board which legit originated on stormfront, and is enabling actually dangerous rhetoric more than he is just saying some s*** about corrupt business people. the stuff he's saying on like the lex fridman podcast is way more than just calling out corruption in the music industry or s***talking zionism or something. you can clearly tell he's parroting talking points of someone else because on top of all of this anti-jew s*** he's spitting absolutely wild anti-black rhetoric at the same time with the floyd stuff for example. he's getting all this s*** from the same source, it goes hand in hand.
whether or not people want to chalk this up to him being a bad person or it just being a symptom of mania is up to individual themselves. clearly the dude isn't doing well regardless but it's an incredibly questionable fixation regardless which should be rightfully condemned. the fact he's even fixating on jews to the extent he'd condemn his own custody lawyer for telling him not to say crazy s*** in public thinking that means he's part of some hollywood cabal says enough.
the best post here
TBH the explicit denial will come soon
Can’t wait for him to talk about wooden gas chambers and the soccer fields
Oh for sure
There are post that are still up that say "he needs a pill or a bullet" "He is likely to kill someone like OJ next". Some people aren't rationalizing so much as saying he needs help. Bad contracts is no reason to attack an entire group of people at all. If he was smart he would attack people that profit from for profit prisons, the depiction of black people in art and all of that. Instead he has made his target one group of people who are also marginalized. Infighting isn't good by any means. Be he hotep, farrakhan follower or whatever . Wanting him to get better and not demonizing him isn't defending him.
yes, he needs help
no, the reason he’s anti-semitic is not because of his mental illness
even racists & anti-semites struggle with mental health issues
i’ve seen your posts in other threads, and you definitely have been defending him
This proves Ye is the most influential person of my lifetime tbh. Now everywhere I look, people be hating jews in public!
TBH the explicit denial will come soon
Can’t wait for him to talk about wooden gas chambers and the soccer fields
The current line of denial is that the deaths resulted from supply line issues and mass starvation as opposed to gas chambers.
Or as I like to call it. The stone toss special
And he'll get away with it by doing this type of s***
claims to be going def con 3 on jewish people yet steals his sense of comedic timing from larry david. interesting
yes, he needs help
no, the reason he’s anti-semitic is not because of his mental illness
even racists & anti-semites struggle with mental health issues
i’ve seen your posts in other threads, and you definitely have been defending him
I have said he is wrong. I have also said black people especially hotep likes have had conflict with jewish people. When he gets hyper fixiated on pro black there is a jealousy of Jewish people. I have said he is wrong countless times. I didn't say he was antisemitic because of mental illness. I have said he is trying to draw patterns that aren't there possibly due to mental illness who knows though.
yes, he needs help
no, the reason he’s anti-semitic is not because of his mental illness
even racists & anti-semites struggle with mental health issues
i’ve seen your posts in other threads, and you definitely have been defending him
No he hasn’t lol. He condemns Ye plenty of times but offering context is somehow perceived as defending him or rationalizing his actions
The current line of denial is that the deaths resulted from supply line issues and mass starvation as opposed to gas chambers.
Or as I like to call it. The stone toss special
yeah, because it was purposeful mass starvation and gassing
what a dumb line