Jul 18, 2022¡2 replies
sfsorrowThe thing that kinda drives a wedge in this Blonde/Endless all same sessions thing is Malay is not credited anywhere on Endless and Ommas Kieth only has piano credits on At Your Best, neither have any engineering/production on it at all. I believe Endless sessions were towards the end of Blonde process and some songs were exchanged like Mitsubishi Sony
in a perfect world mitsubishi sony would be on Blonde
it's ok though at least it's on endless
Jul 18, 2022¡1 replysfsorrowThe thing that kinda drives a wedge in this Blonde/Endless all same sessions thing is Malay is not credited anywhere on Endless and Ommas Kieth only has piano credits on At Your Best, neither have any engineering/production on it at all. I believe Endless sessions were towards the end of Blonde process and some songs were exchanged like Mitsubishi Sony
Meh that donât convince me of much, the way it was put out as a side project seems like the credits could not be exact
if anything it could point to the production being handled later and separately but we know in this era frank was writing the songs first and then production would come later, thereâs no question in my mind that nearly every thing on endless was at least written for blonde. Slide On Me and Alabama were absolutely meant for blonde at some point in addition to the couple other tracks I named that clearly fit
- Jul 18, 2022¡1 reply2words
Meh that donât convince me of much, the way it was put out as a side project seems like the credits could not be exact
if anything it could point to the production being handled later and separately but we know in this era frank was writing the songs first and then production would come later, thereâs no question in my mind that nearly every thing on endless was at least written for blonde. Slide On Me and Alabama were absolutely meant for blonde at some point in addition to the couple other tracks I named that clearly fit
The credits are pretty exact tho. Where do you have any confirmation Slide On Me/Alabama were made for Blonde? Similar songwriting? Iâm not sure why youâre speaking with certainty cus basically the two biggest right hand collaborators for Frank throughout Blonde not being present on Endless canât be glossed over for your a***ysis. Theyâre not just engineers, theyâre full on collaborators & producers that work with him on the songs
- Jul 18, 2022Sir Swagalot
in a perfect world mitsubishi sony would be on Blonde
it's ok though at least it's on endlessThe true pain is we didnât get the full verse in Endless version ..
WHEN THE WIND BLOWWSSSSS!!!
- Jul 18, 2022¡1 replysfsorrow
The credits are pretty exact tho. Where do you have any confirmation Slide On Me/Alabama were made for Blonde? Similar songwriting? Iâm not sure why youâre speaking with certainty cus basically the two biggest right hand collaborators for Frank throughout Blonde not being present on Endless canât be glossed over for your a***ysis. Theyâre not just engineers, theyâre full on collaborators & producers that work with him on the songs
My understanding would be that their roles as collaborators is to help finish/polish the songs for an album like blonde and the endless songs just never reached that final stage and were finished in a different less elaborate way
I feel I can speak with certainty because of what my ears tell me. Similar songwriting similar themes. Endless doesnât have different unique themes for the most part it sticks to the same themes as blonde. I think the idea that theyâre different just comes from how well endless was executed to seem like itâs own thing but when you get past the aesthetic itâs very clear to trained ears
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- Jul 18, 2022¡1 reply2words
My understanding would be that their roles as collaborators is to help finish/polish the songs for an album like blonde and the endless songs just never reached that final stage and were finished in a different less elaborate way
I feel I can speak with certainty because of what my ears tell me. Similar songwriting similar themes. Endless doesnât have different unique themes for the most part it sticks to the same themes as blonde. I think the idea that theyâre different just comes from how well endless was executed to seem like itâs own thing but when you get past the aesthetic itâs very clear to trained ears
They are not just there to finish/polish the songs
Do you even know who Malay is? I canât tell if youâre just doing your normal shtick or not but your âtrained earâ is failing you. Youâre ignoring obvious facts about the separate people he worked with on both. Malay and OmMas have production & engineering credits all over Blonde & channel orange. Malay especially is responsible for so much of the instrumentation & production of these albums. He is completely absent from Endless - Jul 18, 2022¡1 replysfsorrow
They are not just there to finish/polish the songs
Do you even know who Malay is? I canât tell if youâre just doing your normal shtick or not but your âtrained earâ is failing you. Youâre ignoring obvious facts about the separate people he worked with on both. Malay and OmMas have production & engineering credits all over Blonde & channel orange. Malay especially is responsible for so much of the instrumentation & production of these albums. He is completely absent from EndlessYou kind of just repeated what Iâm saying though. I can see the confusion because today a lot of us associate production and instrumentation with songwriting. But traditionally and in genres outside hip hop/r&b thatâs not how it was done, the song would be written first and THEN you take the written song and bring it to a producer and instrumentalists. I believe Frank wrote the blonde songs on his own on a piano such as Good Guy and then brought them to Malay and Ommas and then they start to produce it and flesh it out. This is evidenced by a couple other demos. I think you are conflating instrumentation and production with songwriting which is understandable today but it seems Frank was taking a more traditional approach with the songwriting. Itâs not Malay coming up with some keys and then Frank singing on it, itâs Frank writing a song and then they help to bring it to life and figure out the arrangement
And I think the endless songs were written in the same way at the same time but perhaps finished with different people in a different way
- Jul 18, 2022¡1 reply2words
You kind of just repeated what Iâm saying though. I can see the confusion because today a lot of us associate production and instrumentation with songwriting. But traditionally and in genres outside hip hop/r&b thatâs not how it was done, the song would be written first and THEN you take the written song and bring it to a producer and instrumentalists. I believe Frank wrote the blonde songs on his own on a piano such as Good Guy and then brought them to Malay and Ommas and then they start to produce it and flesh it out. This is evidenced by a couple other demos. I think you are conflating instrumentation and production with songwriting which is understandable today but it seems Frank was taking a more traditional approach with the songwriting. Itâs not Malay coming up with some keys and then Frank singing on it, itâs Frank writing a song and then they help to bring it to life and figure out the arrangement
And I think the endless songs were written in the same way at the same time but perhaps finished with different people in a different way
Literally everything you said here is your assumption based on whatever you think that supports your perspective. I am telling you the facts. Malay does not just bring Franks songs and demos to life, he is fully involved in the process. Arrangement & song structure is a key part of songwriting, itâs something that lends to how strong Blondeâs songwriting in particular is, which Malay was heavily involved in. Your argument is also saying that the Endless âversionsâ of these songs written in Blonde era are incomplete/unpolished versions of Blonde songs which is just not true at all. They have a different sound palette, different structure, & different engineering styles. Every collaborator is helping bring Franks songs and ideas to life and theyâre all his songs he wrote so idk what youâre even saying.
Jul 18, 20222wordsWhenever the blonde and endless conversation comes up I feel like itâs not appreciated enough that Endless, while it is sequenced to form an amazing and unique project all its own, is clearly the stuff from Blonde sessions that didnât make the cut for Blonde. Just imagine the âsuburbia got a yard all this estate for my my mind to runâ interlude fitting somewhere in the album next to a piece like Skyline To painting that young summer, and the wordless beach boys inspired âFloridaâ fitting somewhere (frank has said Beatles and beach boys were big influences on Blonde and Florida is one of the most blatant examples of influence)
I dont think so. Frank had someone come in and work on blonde and when they finished blonde. He called him again a while later to work on endless.
Its possible some of the songs were originally blonde leftover but doubt a lot of it were.
- Jul 18, 2022¡1 reply
I will not stand idly by as Malay is misrepresented . He gave us absolute classics. This is the man who made the synth for Pyramids , he is not some studio musician, he is one of the primary reasons for the âFrank soundâ people love and have copied a million times
Malay even said this s*** 10 years ago himself in 2012 working on channel orange. He creates these songs with Frank
gearspace.com/board/rap-hip-hop-engineering-and-production/747115-frank-ocean-channel-orange-2.html
âHey guys... My writing process with most artists (including frank) is very artist specific i.e. I don't make tracks on my own time. Id rather go into the studio with the artist and/or writers and create from scratch. I used to do the track thing when I was younger, but it never really worked out for me. I find creating ideas from scratch with the artist is much more rewarding and allows for the song and the sound to be catered to the specific project. A typical session for me starts with me laying down some musical ideas (guitars, keys, drums) and we'll start laying down some lyric/melody concepts... Keep growing it into vibe.. A concept.. Hopefully a song. If it veers off path, I'd rather ditch it and try again another time. Through the years, I've realized music should never be forced.â
- Jul 18, 2022¡1 replysfsorrow
Literally everything you said here is your assumption based on whatever you think that supports your perspective. I am telling you the facts. Malay does not just bring Franks songs and demos to life, he is fully involved in the process. Arrangement & song structure is a key part of songwriting, itâs something that lends to how strong Blondeâs songwriting in particular is, which Malay was heavily involved in. Your argument is also saying that the Endless âversionsâ of these songs written in Blonde era are incomplete/unpolished versions of Blonde songs which is just not true at all. They have a different sound palette, different structure, & different engineering styles. Every collaborator is helping bring Franks songs and ideas to life and theyâre all his songs he wrote so idk what youâre even saying.
Arrangement is not a part of songwriting, thatâs incorrect. Good Guy is a look at Frankâs process and youâre overstating Malayâs role
âDifferent engineering stylesâ lol you donât know what youâre saying
Again you have a misunderstanding on what constitutes songwriting and what malayâs role is. You mention âthe Frank soundâ and yes he is crucial to the sound but I do not believe heâs crucial to the songwriting. I believe youâre letting the aesthetic difference of Endless fool you into thinking itâs so distinctly different on a fundamental level. Itâs just executed differently for the final product but if you donât think at least 5 cuts were meant for blonde then i question how much you even understand blonde
- Jul 18, 2022¡1 replysfsorrow
I will not stand idly by as Malay is misrepresented . He gave us absolute classics. This is the man who made the synth for Pyramids , he is not some studio musician, he is one of the primary reasons for the âFrank soundâ people love and have copied a million times
Malay even said this s*** 10 years ago himself in 2012 working on channel orange. He creates these songs with Frank
https://gearspace.com/board/rap-hip-hop-engineering-and-production/747115-frank-ocean-channel-orange-2.html
âHey guys... My writing process with most artists (including frank) is very artist specific i.e. I don't make tracks on my own time. Id rather go into the studio with the artist and/or writers and create from scratch. I used to do the track thing when I was younger, but it never really worked out for me. I find creating ideas from scratch with the artist is much more rewarding and allows for the song and the sound to be catered to the specific project. A typical session for me starts with me laying down some musical ideas (guitars, keys, drums) and we'll start laying down some lyric/melody concepts... Keep growing it into vibe.. A concept.. Hopefully a song. If it veers off path, I'd rather ditch it and try again another time. Through the years, I've realized music should never be forced.â
This quote is from channel orange sessions. Blonde was certainly approached differently and Frank went for a more singer songwriter approach. An easy example to see that the songs came before the production is the nikes in studio demo. That song, the chords, lyrics and Frankâs vocals were already completely conceptualized before the beat was started
Jul 18, 2022¡2 replies2wordsThis quote is from channel orange sessions. Blonde was certainly approached differently and Frank went for a more singer songwriter approach. An easy example to see that the songs came before the production is the nikes in studio demo. That song, the chords, lyrics and Frankâs vocals were already completely conceptualized before the beat was started
what nikes demo? do you mean the video he posted on his tumblr? that's just a tour rehearsal, way later than the album sessions
- Jul 18, 2022¡1 replyMe233
what nikes demo? do you mean the video he posted on his tumblr? that's just a tour rehearsal, way later than the album sessions
Source on when it was done? Iâll take the L but I assumed it was filmed during the sessions
I still believe he wrote a lot of the songs in the singer songwriter style of good guy
- Jul 18, 2022Me233
what nikes demo? do you mean the video he posted on his tumblr? that's just a tour rehearsal, way later than the album sessions
Lmfao his âtrained earâ seems to keep failing him
- Jul 18, 2022¡1 reply2words
Arrangement is not a part of songwriting, thatâs incorrect. Good Guy is a look at Frankâs process and youâre overstating Malayâs role
âDifferent engineering stylesâ lol you donât know what youâre saying
Again you have a misunderstanding on what constitutes songwriting and what malayâs role is. You mention âthe Frank soundâ and yes he is crucial to the sound but I do not believe heâs crucial to the songwriting. I believe youâre letting the aesthetic difference of Endless fool you into thinking itâs so distinctly different on a fundamental level. Itâs just executed differently for the final product but if you donât think at least 5 cuts were meant for blonde then i question how much you even understand blonde
Arrangement is absolutely a part of songwriting especially in the context of how Malay composed with Frank. And your argument has changed a lot since calling Endless scrapped/unfinished Blonde songs. You clearly donât know as much as you want to seem like you do cus you have no idea who Malay is or what he does in Franks music. Every fact Iâve given you you ignore so whatâs the point in continuing to argue, I could pull sources all day, this stan s*** is a decade plus for me now
- Jul 18, 20222words
Source on when it was done? Iâll take the L but I assumed it was filmed during the sessions
I still believe he wrote a lot of the songs in the singer songwriter style of good guy
no source apart from it being posted at the time of the tour... and also buddy ross isn't credited for nikes IIRC
but my gut feeling is the best source TBH
Jul 18, 2022There's more ways to make music than in a project based format. Things are transformed and repurposed all the time. That doesn't make them b sides.
Jul 18, 2022sfsorrowArrangement is absolutely a part of songwriting especially in the context of how Malay composed with Frank. And your argument has changed a lot since calling Endless scrapped/unfinished Blonde songs. You clearly donât know as much as you want to seem like you do cus you have no idea who Malay is or what he does in Franks music. Every fact Iâve given you you ignore so whatâs the point in continuing to argue, I could pull sources all day, this stan s*** is a decade plus for me now
Dude saying that arrangement isn't part of songwriting is wild lol.
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