Oblivion X

1mo

I dont really get the whole budget critique. instead of stretching the budget to have constructs everywhere resulting in cheap sfx, they use it tastefully and in ways that makes sense for the story they're telling. (e.g. Hal keeping his ring low on charge because he doesn't want to recite the oath. Which lines up with a character that's overly jaded)

I get its a GL show but its clearly a more character driven and grounded take

burymeinecko

1mo

I didn’t have an issue with it till this episode. If there was any episode that the budget should’ve been allocated to, it was this one. There was barely any constructs used before the ring was depleted and none of the aliens ever show their true forms including the manhunter which is lame. I think the budget is an issue but it’s also clear the creator of this show doesn’t respect the comic books which makes it a weird fit in the larger DCU which had a very comic booky start with Superman

Fruit Fury

1mo

”As you can imagine mama, I’m mad as all hell and I plan on doing something about it. But first I’m going to take that ring clean off that motherfuckers finger.”

Oblivion X

1mo

I dont really get the whole budget critique. instead of stretching the budget to have constructs everywhere resulting in cheap sfx, they use it tastefully and in ways that makes sense for the story they're telling. (e.g. Hal keeping his ring low on charge because he doesn't want to recite the oath. Which lines up with a character that's overly jaded)

I get its a GL show but its clearly a more character driven and grounded take

Oblivion X

1mo

I dont really get the whole budget critique. instead of stretching the budget to have constructs everywhere resulting in cheap sfx, they use it tastefully and in ways that makes sense for the story they're telling. (e.g. Hal keeping his ring low on charge because he doesn't want to recite the oath. Which lines up with a character that's overly jaded)

I get its a GL show but its clearly a more character driven and grounded take

Chief OGDOLLVS

1mo

Caught this one in realtime

Mark Moschino

1mo

this is my problem: we don’t know enough about hal to even have a handle on what he’s betraying?

this is fundamentally why i think having an older hal is so stupid. there’s not enough time to understand his character, and what? he’s reduced to an aging has been with racist undertones.

then why was he someone to admire in the first place ? are we going to learn about that in the last 3 episodes? it’s just the stupidest narrative hole, and it’s all fueled by the most hit/miss comics writer in recent memory

Oblivion X

1mo

I feel like we have inklings of it already but episode 7 is said to be Hal's backstory .

He said this in the 86 flashback

Though you can't see my face, know that my commitment to fighting evil will never waver. The night I received this ring, I was asked only one question, if I was afraid. I remain as steadfast now as I was then. I am fearless.'

Hal's was already a beloved hero for 30 years prior to 2016 and someone to admire and respect as earth's protector. But 2016 hal let himself get manipulated by Sinestro to devise a plan that gets him back in good grace with the guardians that pretty much got a lot of innocent people killed. And he did this because of his ego and fear of being replaced, which is a betrayal to the commitment he made as a hero. In this episode you can see him reconcile with this between saving people or going off to capture Zoe. Saving John or keeping the ring.

Mark Moschino

1mo

i think that's a cogent take, but I can't help but feel the missed opportunity here

Oblivion X

1mo

Fair. I kinda do want hal to last past this season

burymeinecko

1mo

I’m really confused on why John shed a tear for Hal in the future when seeing his body. They never developed a real friendship lol

Jammuh

1mo

you don't have to have a friendship to cry over somebody

and it's clear they both have a level of respect for each other that is rare. there's also a lot of emotional baggage for John when it comes to Hal, whether it be his traumatizing childhood, or even the entire 2016 time period they shared together. they've been through a lot lol. it tracks

Faith

1mo

idk why you gotta explain this