Hippya

1y

It’s interesting I think he’s trolling. Also it seems the church forced Stalin out for having illegal literature which in turn could have forced him to come up with his communistic values. So that’s killing another of his theories.

The StepFather

1y

I'm not sure if he's trolling or not. I think he emboldened himself with some biased information. Some a bit right, but mostly controlled by emotion and not offending religious peoples. To be quite honest, I don't know his stance. He's being pretty ambiguous, I'm not sure how to correlate his posts in here

saint dot edumist

1y

ok how about this, ill put the attitude aside

what do you want to know?

Hippya

1y

“In a speech in the early years of his rule, Hitler declared himself "Not a Catholic, but a German Christian".171921 The German Christians were a Protestant group that supported Nazi Ideology.22 Hitler and the Nazi party also promoted "nondenominational"23 positive Christianity”

saint dot edumist

1y

did you seriously just cite an esoteric sect of Christianity that completely b******izes its initial aims and is pretty much only correlated with Christianity in name essentially, and then try to transpose that to say Christianity at large is the problem?

also, nice cherry picked source from earlier

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/hitlers-religion-was-hitler-an-atheist-christian-or-something-else/

”So, what did Hitler not believe? He continually rejected Christianity, calling it a Jewish plot to undermine the heroic ideals of the (Aryan-dominated) Roman Empire. He did not accept the deity of Jesus, the resurrection of Jesus, or indeed any of the miracles of Jesus.”

”There is no evidence that he believed in a triune God. Though he esteemed Jesus as an Aryan fighter against Jewish materialism who was martyred for his anti-Jewish stance, he did not ascribe to Jesus’s death any significance in human salvation. Indeed, he did not believe in salvation at all in the Christian sense of the term, because he denied a personal afterlife.”

Hippya

1y

No actually just blaming religion don’t care what kind. It’s a historical fact that what I said happened. All religions have proven to be a problem.

saint dot edumist

1y

word on the street is that Hitler was a pantheist, which is atheism but fancy

Hippya

1y

Did you even read what I said, doesn’t matter what hitler was he used peoples beliefs which were christian to get them to believe in what he wanted them to.

Hippya

1y

Did you even read what I said, doesn’t matter what hitler was he used peoples beliefs which were christian to get them to believe in what he wanted them to.

The StepFather

1y

Yeah, I got my answer now lol

saint dot edumist

1y

how impartial of you

Shady Ant

1y

I’m Christian and I think they’re weird.
Hard to place why, but I feel like they don’t do a good job actually articulating any teachings, and focus too much on trying to connect Jesus to whoever is watching

saint dot edumist

1y

just gonna repost

nah it’s not a good use of money, and pretty futile really

well no, because it’s pretty functionally useless

now this, is where i can really get into the swing of what i wanna say, yes, there’s been a very large decrease of religious people and this is primarily due to individualism, materialism and albeit i know people don’t like it when i take a s*** on science—scientism, all of these things coalesce and play with one another to effectively reduce religion’s role and purpose within the world, it’s essentially why a lot of people tell others that you have to make your own meaning in life, that there’s no intrinsic value to our existence and we live within a cold and uncaring universe

it’s a moorish mix of secular hubris and philosophical ignorance (i mean, what use is philosophy if science, or scientists rather proclaim to have the answers for each question?) many of the reasons ive seen people reject religion and/or God are for very poor and unsophisticated understandings of religion(s) and God generally, a lot of the gripes and questions people have with religion could possibly be rectified if they bothered to engage with it beyond a surface level, however why do that, when the idea of man being the only ends or measure completely void of any sort of higher power to pay heed to is immensely more attractive to people who are raised in a “me-me-me” society?

there’s a reason why most of the spirituality that people take interest in America is pop astrology, manifestation, crystals, Westernized (bastardized, really) Buddhism etc. because they either offer a benefit to the person that partakes in the practice exclusively or they’re completely null of anything that would have someone feel accountable spiritually for the things that they do to other people, Buddhism within the West has been essentially leveled to mindfulness and be nice to others, completely absent of the various metaphysical principles, realms and supernatural beliefs that are essential to it as a religion regardless (such as anatta, sunyata, indra’s net etc.) religion was always generally collectivist and was about forming unity with your fellow man, this is pretty much gone

i am not surprised at Christians being oppressed and sort of trampled on nowadays because the pendulum is simply swinging back, this is essentially retribution for all of the crusades and oppression that happened in the name of the Abrahamic God, Christians definitely have an absolutely horrible reputation (borderline irreparable if you ask me) due to the evangelists, making people feel bad for their sexuality (which could possibly be based on a misinterpretation of the Bible lol) and forcing Christianity and all down people's throats, this isn't even getting into the general intolerance of other religions that people of Abrahamic faiths have either, which is an entirely different mess within itself—as an aside, as a pretty spiritually minded person i do genuinely feel marginalized and/or in a world that’s hostile to any sort of spirituality

regardless, this is all in line with the Kali Yuga, the irreligious will continue to spread and the sacred will continue to be lost to a select few/die out until eventually some sort of supernatural cataclysm comes through and resets the world at large-it's certainly going to be awhile so im pretty nihilistically bitter at watching religion fade out, but it is what it is really

Shady Ant

1y

I’m Christian and I think they’re weird.
Hard to place why, but I feel like they don’t do a good job actually articulating any teachings, and focus too much on trying to connect Jesus to whoever is watching

ogvalerie

1y

the way ppl view religion has been so f***ed up by how abrahamic religions have been used 2 justify terrible s*** & it's sad bcuz it makes ppl feel the need 2 be intolerant of any belief that isn't just self-absorbed bullshit i'm not even remotely a religious person but even i can see how lame this s*** is

Einfinet

1y

the way you invoke philosophy here, I can only presume you mean the world of Hume, Descartes, Spinoza, Locke, etc. (a world, I should add, further limited by the fact that religion/faith were hardly the sole concerns of these figures’ writings)

fortunately, there really isn’t any more correlation between secularity and “philosophical ignorance” than there would be between religious perspective and the same ignorance, especially when we get beyond such a narrowly conceived view of the field

saint dot edumist

1y

nah, they’re pretty well correlated, most people who proclaim to be secular or irreligious have a very poor understanding (if any really) of philosophy generally when we’re talking about philosophy of religion, epistemology, ontology etc.

and yeah to an extent, Cartesian dualism and Locke’s conception of a material substratum was pretty unfortunate—because again they’re taken as the common sense position when there are a wealth of critiques against the both of them (namely from German idealists such as a Kant, or hell idealism generally—Berkeley)

TTU

1y

Any ontological arguments you agree with?

The StepFather

1y

To be fair, I've given you a few chances in the last 2 days. You've just been vague and not really on the point. I've personally seen your morals and principles fluctuate, Imho

Seems to me, you just want to be right. And that's ok

saint dot edumist

1y

pretty big fan of Kalam’s cosmological argument