Oct 13, 2023
iluvmusic123alotta artists come to the realisation that there medium isnt as powerful as they thought in terms of creating change. I think kendrick did post-tpab and touches on it in mr morale
I agree, Damn was somewhat about that and Mr. Morale truly comes to terms w that idea on Mirror
Oct 13, 2023iluvmusic123alotta artists come to the realisation that there medium isnt as powerful as they thought in terms of creating change. I think kendrick did post-tpab and touches on it in mr morale
Think those artists forget that those artists of the 60s and 70s was also out there in the streets.
Like Nina Simone talks about how if she had had a gun she woulda been killed them crackas down south
Oct 13, 2023·1 replyIt’s crazy how even a song like keep ya head up wouldn’t even be made today by anyone today artists don’t care about that
- Oct 13, 2023
Media literacy and general literacy is basura
It's not the art, it's the consumer
Oct 13, 2023
ValentineTyped out a long ass response to this but I ain’t tryna hit y’all with a wall of text lmfao
funnily enough, this seems like the same mentality a lot of artists nowadays have
Oct 13, 2023insertcoolnamehereI was on the train to a rehearsal listening to What's Going On by Marvin Gaye (cause existential crises in the midst of genocidal terrors lol) and the thought hit me that these types of albums would be looked at as preachy or "too divisive" today.
In asking myself why that is, I was like "well, social media's made it where you can get that kind of material from other sources"
However, there's been this sentiment I've seen across social media about how no one's listening to politicians or the people in charge and that it is in fact up to artists to speak on the things happening in the world. Posts like these going viral for example
But my question is, if art/music as a whole has become so niche that no big superstar act will realistically risk "fucking up the bag" (even if the bag is probably at a low value) speaking on an issue, and the people claim that no one listens to the politicians and the scientists about what is going on in the world
Then how do people know what's going on in the world?
Was it designed to end up this way and for all the "bs" to be pushed to the forefront as a distraction?
idk I've been kinda in a f***ed up mood all day ngl
Not ready to engage with this in full but in case of what’s going on I’m very much sure it was looked at as too preachy and schmaltzy. It got its acclaim only after a while. Just something that immediately caught my eye
Oct 13, 2023Yes and its by design. Tupac didn't become 2Pac by making How Do you Want It and I Get Around over and over again. The man was socially concious/aware of the black struggle and made himself a voice, and when Pac rapped, people wanted to hear his take on things. Unlike now where most rappers are purely entertainers and nothing more.
Hip Hop now is just one long cheap Tubi hood movie vs Hip Hop at its peak, where the top guys cared about the art and the message, cause they wanted to represent and speak for the culture,
- Oct 14, 2023GEENO
It’s crazy how even a song like keep ya head up wouldn’t even be made today by anyone today artists don’t care about that
Keep ya head up would be called “white knight/simp” music lmao
- Dec 28, 2023·2 repliesValentine
Most people aren’t trying to hear that in the music they listen to nowadays. It really sucks because it is hurting even being able to have a proper discussions surrounding a subject. I think it is by design that the music being pushed to the forefront is the lowest grade of mind dumbing s*** you could bring attention to.
“Here for a good time, not a long time” will continue to hurt our society and there doesn’t seem to be anything stopping it. The generation of 35-50 rn are also very confused between trying to stay young and hip (dumbing themselves down) or being actual leaders of our society. At least that’s something I’ve noticed when I go to older bars or hangout with my older siblings. They are able to have well informed discussions about society, politics, etc. but then at the same time still be involved in depravity, which seems to be what people would rather be involved in than well informed discussions. Which then affects the music we hear as it has to support the popular lifestyles of society today.
Therefore the well informed discussions rarely happen and instead we solely focus on money, excessive consumption, trips, restaurants, dating, social dynamics, and other topics that do not lead to the overall benefit and growth of the world but rather feeds into this competitive nature we all have against each other and ourselves. The music as a result is affected greatly.
Social media really f***ed us up and it’s still in its infant stage. Lord knows where we will be and how much further down we will sink in the next decade or 2.
I’m really young so maybe I’m missing the point entirely, but these have just been my observations over the last couple of years, especially this year.
@insertcoolnamehere @the_ghost_of_b_a @ThisIsNeverThat let me know what y’all think, am I off?
Therefore the well informed discussions rarely happen and instead we solely focus on money, excessive consumption, trips, restaurants, dating, social dynamics, and other topics that do not lead to the overall benefit and growth of the world but rather feeds into this competitive nature we all have against each other and ourselves. The music as a result is affected greatly.
it's because of s*** like this that makes me glad I started going out to "palestine cinema nights" at the People's Forum in nyc. Just to be around other likeminded people that care about similar things is a feeling I feel like I haven't felt since college bro.
We gotta get back into going outside and involved (or just be present) around things that we care about (both sensical and non-sensical like...idk anime or some s***).
I think the lack of social awareness, after being outside, in this generation comes from a fact that niggas aren't outside enough to be social.
S*** is DAUNTING when you think about it.
Dec 28, 2023·1 replyIt's very very complex, if the specific social issues were understood there would no longer be a need for it to be broadcasted or have art made about it cause they could be solved, that's why I think it falls on people whose job description it is to do this, like journalists and politicians, to disseminate honest helpful information
I hate the "So suddenly" in that image, there's nothing sudden about it, art exists to be a reflection of people, and people are a reflection of what happens in the world
In an abstract sense there is social awareness to every piece of art that's made, sometimes it might be unintentional and it's just a soulless copy of something that used to have meaning but it's copy is now just a signal of consumerism, where the soulless copy is unintentionally making a commentary on how creatively bankrupt or dishonest the people making it are
it's helpful for causes to have art that ties it all together, but I don't think it can consistently beat real education in changing people's minds and having a more understanding compassionate society, because sometimes the heavy s*** beats down on your spirit and you're no help to no one if you're inconsolable
And sometimes socially conscious art doesn't truly land with people, lots of people who would enjoy listening to Tupac's socially conscious music wouldn't really care about what he's saying after the song fades out
The whole "artists/entertainers/comedians are the voice for the world" stuff is said with good intentions, but it reminds me of sentiments like this which are so out of touch and don't really seem interested in actually helping people, just in morally grandstanding and feeling accomplished
Artists should make something that's true to them and their lives, they shouldn't be ignorant or uneducated but not everyone has to carry the burden of being the hero, we need a more educated society
Dec 28, 2023insertcoolnamehereTherefore the well informed discussions rarely happen and instead we solely focus on money, excessive consumption, trips, restaurants, dating, social dynamics, and other topics that do not lead to the overall benefit and growth of the world but rather feeds into this competitive nature we all have against each other and ourselves. The music as a result is affected greatly.
it's because of s*** like this that makes me glad I started going out to "palestine cinema nights" at the People's Forum in nyc. Just to be around other likeminded people that care about similar things is a feeling I feel like I haven't felt since college bro.
We gotta get back into going outside and involved (or just be present) around things that we care about (both sensical and non-sensical like...idk anime or some s***).
I think the lack of social awareness, after being outside, in this generation comes from a fact that niggas aren't outside enough to be social.
S*** is DAUNTING when you think about it.
i feel the same way, admittedly even if i fail at it by not being as outside as i should be
Dec 28, 2023·1 replyFunny bc i was actually listening to the album on repeat last night lol @op
There definitely is a decrease in socially aware music nowadays, especially in hip hop. I think it's just the result of a more successful commodification of the music, and i do believe that is by design
There is a reason pac had a whole fbi file on him and no rapper nowadays does except for when they're doing some dumb shyt lol
The point about there no longer being any artists big enough to have the same impact rings true to me as well
- Dec 28, 2023insertcoolnamehere
Therefore the well informed discussions rarely happen and instead we solely focus on money, excessive consumption, trips, restaurants, dating, social dynamics, and other topics that do not lead to the overall benefit and growth of the world but rather feeds into this competitive nature we all have against each other and ourselves. The music as a result is affected greatly.
it's because of s*** like this that makes me glad I started going out to "palestine cinema nights" at the People's Forum in nyc. Just to be around other likeminded people that care about similar things is a feeling I feel like I haven't felt since college bro.
We gotta get back into going outside and involved (or just be present) around things that we care about (both sensical and non-sensical like...idk anime or some s***).
I think the lack of social awareness, after being outside, in this generation comes from a fact that niggas aren't outside enough to be social.
S*** is DAUNTING when you think about it.
What's the people's forum like? I been following them from a distance, definitely coming to visit there if i'm ever in the area
Dec 28, 2023i f***ing hate social media man
- Dec 28, 2023insertcoolnamehere
I was on the train to a rehearsal listening to What's Going On by Marvin Gaye (cause existential crises in the midst of genocidal terrors lol) and the thought hit me that these types of albums would be looked at as preachy or "too divisive" today.
In asking myself why that is, I was like "well, social media's made it where you can get that kind of material from other sources"
However, there's been this sentiment I've seen across social media about how no one's listening to politicians or the people in charge and that it is in fact up to artists to speak on the things happening in the world. Posts like these going viral for example
But my question is, if art/music as a whole has become so niche that no big superstar act will realistically risk "fucking up the bag" (even if the bag is probably at a low value) speaking on an issue, and the people claim that no one listens to the politicians and the scientists about what is going on in the world
Then how do people know what's going on in the world?
Was it designed to end up this way and for all the "bs" to be pushed to the forefront as a distraction?
idk I've been kinda in a f***ed up mood all day ngl
Also it’s bear not bare. Whoever wrote that a dumbass
- Dec 28, 2023·edited·1 replyyaaaaaan
It's very very complex, if the specific social issues were understood there would no longer be a need for it to be broadcasted or have art made about it cause they could be solved, that's why I think it falls on people whose job description it is to do this, like journalists and politicians, to disseminate honest helpful information
I hate the "So suddenly" in that image, there's nothing sudden about it, art exists to be a reflection of people, and people are a reflection of what happens in the world
In an abstract sense there is social awareness to every piece of art that's made, sometimes it might be unintentional and it's just a soulless copy of something that used to have meaning but it's copy is now just a signal of consumerism, where the soulless copy is unintentionally making a commentary on how creatively bankrupt or dishonest the people making it are
it's helpful for causes to have art that ties it all together, but I don't think it can consistently beat real education in changing people's minds and having a more understanding compassionate society, because sometimes the heavy s*** beats down on your spirit and you're no help to no one if you're inconsolable
And sometimes socially conscious art doesn't truly land with people, lots of people who would enjoy listening to Tupac's socially conscious music wouldn't really care about what he's saying after the song fades out
The whole "artists/entertainers/comedians are the voice for the world" stuff is said with good intentions, but it reminds me of sentiments like this which are so out of touch and don't really seem interested in actually helping people, just in morally grandstanding and feeling accomplished
https://twitter.com/WhitneyCummings/status/1490312297117589504Artists should make something that's true to them and their lives, they shouldn't be ignorant or uneducated but not everyone has to carry the burden of being the hero, we need a more educated society
bro unintentionally talking about postmodern philosophy by way of Baudrillard in this post. insightful s***. i do agree with you critiquing the note in OP but im not sure you get some things
- Dec 28, 2023
2015-2016 was really the moment where art reflected the world through song and otherwise, black artists were saying something back then and were using their platforms very well but now it seems artists and listeners have come to the realization that nothing changes, it ebbs and flows but it's still the same system
And I still hate what happened between noname and Cole, it was so corny and lame, those types of artists are getting ridiculed in an increasingly apathetic world and it's so sad to see them do that to each other cause coles response was sooo disappointing but I'll always respect kendricks last album, there's so much wealth on Mr morale
- Dec 28, 2023
We are in a time of crisis.
Inflation, war in Europe is just around the corner
Israel/Palestinian
We just had a pandemicIf you look at history, art in the years of crisis is very happy, something we escape into. So the fact that 80’s music has become so big right after Covid hit makes allot of sense.
Art about dealing with difficult issues often comes when everything in society is good.
Fx Grunge came when the economy was good.
SoundCloud rap came when the economy was good - Dec 28, 2023·1 reply
Rock Mudson- The bad stuff in the news makes me feel bad
- This is an existential crisis
- I sooth myself with art
- Maybe the art should address the bad stuff
- Social media post says so
The bad stuff is content. The music is content. The social media is content. You want a balanced media diet. You want to consume the poison and the antidote. This is a consumer choice issue. It's the only power you actually have.
Lowkey's album Soundtrack to the Struggle pairs well with the Gaza crisis. Like is that what you want to hear? Sounds pretty silly when you say it out loud. Good art or bad art, it has about as much impact as David Guetta's MLK tribute. Is it really that important? Idk, read a book. At least you'll feel informed.
People that refer to music and art as “content” like this guy are part of the problem and are dumb as f***
Dec 28, 2023·1 replyPicture in OP is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen
Dec 28, 20232016 changed everything
In technically a good way because it exposed the evil and hate humans still have
We thought we’ve progressed but we’re really on the same bigotry unfortunately
Some of our music idols fell to that evil, some speak on it but no one listens and some are too afraid to speak in fear of losing their livelihood
The 2020s will be a culture reset. Hopefully for the better
Dec 28, 2023Why would anyone ever listen to a politician? Lol
- Dec 28, 2023LD
Picture in OP is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen
Its throwing me back to the 2012 tumblr esque web
- Dec 28, 2023Scratchin Mamba
Funny bc i was actually listening to the album on repeat last night lol @op
There definitely is a decrease in socially aware music nowadays, especially in hip hop. I think it's just the result of a more successful commodification of the music, and i do believe that is by design
There is a reason pac had a whole fbi file on him and no rapper nowadays does except for when they're doing some dumb shyt lol
The point about there no longer being any artists big enough to have the same impact rings true to me as well
I bet theres an x-file on tupac’s death
- Dec 28, 2023·1 replyvoriox
People that refer to music and art as “content” like this guy are part of the problem and are dumb as f***
If I edit the post to say art instead, will you come up with a substantive response