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Outside of Kendrick Cole Drake Tyler bro you can still kinda put the rest of those names in that convo with a Yeat or Dex bro. Those Scott Pilgrim album cover tapes/slime season/die lit/self titled have cool songs but I can’t let them s***s play for hours like I can with Kanye or Outkast albums. Drake/Kendrick/Cole you can tho but not off of s*** they dropped 2015-2022 lol

Ok on average the same still applies to the top of this generation (Carti Uzi 21 etc.)

S*** decent but ain’t s*** really touching what we used to consider a classic or even great album. In real time (before IYRTITL which is his closest) people used to say Drake still hasn’t dropped that Blueprint esque classic album. Lol peoples standards have devolved into calling anything classic/good

Well that’s u. I grew up on outkast Wayne Ye too. But I’m easily playing future and thug mixtapes as much as theirs probably more.

And someone a bit younger than me probably value uzi and Carti tapes just as much.

I listen to 10 year old future tapes as we speak already 🤷🏽‍♂️ Barter 6 has aged better to me than any Wayne project already.

This has to be bait

vices out now

wtf is hh just spell the album out u f***er

There is no wrong opinion itt.

It all depends on your preference.

I will say in general though that while production, adlibs, and experimentation have stepped up in the last 5 or so years, lyricism and rapping skill died down especially in the mainstream.

Like Lil Baby's supposed to be that dude rn and I respect his impact and feature run but even Ludacris had better bars and skills than him.

Even many on KTT think that Kanye and "The Big 3" are still carrying hip hop in the past 5 years or so even though I don't share that opinion personally.

Late aughts were abysmal

Eminem dropped Relapse
Jay dropped BP3
Wayne dropped Rebirth

Those were the established vets. Economy crashed and CDs tanked so hardly anyone could put out music. Young crop came and went. Terrible transition to pop mainstream for a lot of artists with like sung hooks that sounded like s*** tacked on

16 was even greater

2015-2022:

DS2
56 Nights
To Pimp a Butterfly
Rodeo
Summertime ‘06
At.Long.Last.A$AP
Barter 6
I Don’t Like S***, I Don’t Go Outside
If You’re Reading This it’s Too Late
The Life of Pablo
Coloring Book
Jeffery
Slime Season 1, 2, and 3
Lil Uzi Vert Vs. The World
DAMN.
Culture
4:44
Saturation Trilogy
Cherry Bomb
Flower Boy
4eva is a Mighty Long Time
DAYTONA
Blank Face LP
Savage Mode 1 & 2
Astroworld
Still Brazy
The Sun’s Tirade
Playboi Carti
Die Lit
Whole Lotta Red
Konnichiwa
Care For Me
DiCaprio 2
Bandana
Kids See Ghosts
Mirrorland
I Am > I Was
So Much Fun
IGOR
A Written Testimony
RTJ 3 & 4
My Turn
WUNNA
DS4EVER
Alfredo
Pray For Paris (whole Griselda movement)
TA13OO
ZUU
MELT MY EYEZ SEE YOUR FUTURE
King’s Disease 1 & 2
Call Me If You Get Lost
The Off-Season
The House is Burning
Donda
Few Good Things
I Never Liked You
It’s Almost Dry
Shoot for the Stars Aim for the Moon
GHETTO GODS
& a bunch more I’m forgetting

You can absolutely make the argument that this era of rap music is better than the 90s

The thing about this era tho that dude in OP is trying to convey is that youll take albums that may deserve to be here like Daytona and then with a straight face put Barter 6/So Much Fun and Wunna in that same category lmao. And I love all the above projects for their own reasons

The post trap melodic s*** should have been called something else a long time ago and this debate dies

bro tried sneaking Cherry Bomb in there

Where do you see The Big Day

Edit: Since you changed it to Cherry Bomb, it’s a great album, but nice nitpick out of the thirty+ other albums I named

Why the hell should Barter 6 not be in the same category as Daytona?

One of the most influential rap projects of all time and one of the best trap projects ever. It absolutely deserves to be mentioned next to Daytona.

These racist undertones in the belittling of trap music gotta stop.

Rap is an ever evolving genre of music. It’s constantly in a state of evolution and expansion, more than any other genre.

Just because it doesn’t sound like the boom bap of the 90s doesn’t mean it’s not rap music. You’re putting the genre and the culture in a box that it shouldn’t be in.

Don’t like his taste much but hip hop has gotten worse as the years gone on. 07-14 versus 15-22 would be an interesting debate. Not sure why 15-22 is an “era”

“These racist undertones in the belittling of trap music gotta stop.”

Lmao I’m a nigga my damn self. Probably heard of thug before u 😂 hell you talking about my boy

S***s just not on the same level lyrically or structure/content wise lmao. Dude just get high ramble about nothing over hard ass beats which can be great but that being compared to an album like Daytona is why someone will make the comment dude in OP made. People want to over-credit the Carti, Uzi, Thug type acts in an effort to not appear out of touch or “racist” as you put it lmaoooo. People will dead ass compare actual lyrical structured s*** to some high Nigga rambling about nothing lol. Uzi Carti Thug nem can get away with metaphors Wayne or Sean would be clowned for meanwhile a Nigga like Pusha/Tyler/Logic has to come up with some groundbreaking s*** lol. And they all get judged the same which is why the game is the way it is now why would a Nigga actually try just to get judged more harshly

That’s why dude in OP says this era sucks. The standards and actual effort have completely melted away lol

07-14 includes prime Wayne, the Blog era, and MBDTF.

Lol...I'm sorry but this isn't much of a debate imho

Idk man I’m playing Die Lit more than Daytona. Two albums that came out the same year. It’s just a better album IMO but Daytona is really good too.

All that metaphor wordplay stuff is fire when done right but ngl I don’t value it as much as I did when I was younger.

I prefer the first group of years too. more better albums/projects.

I’m not sure how big of a difference it is though. Haven’t really thought it out, just wanted to make the point hip hop has gotten worse as time moved. Saw some folks dismissing that notion.

For me, I judge it on my top artists. Drake had ML & IFYRTL in that timeframe. NWTS is a classic but I’ll take two over one
Nas music output 15-22> obviously

Latter years have some heat

It's all subjective.

But it’s all subjective. There’s no law that says rap music is better when the lyrics are more thought out.

Music is about an overall sound, a feeling. It’s not books where the most merit something gets is how well it’s written.

A lot of the criticism around trap music does in fact have racist undertones because people’s main criticism is “they’re not saying anything with a message” or white people’s favorite “they’re mumbling I can’t understand them”.

Two things:

1. I know people that can relate to a Future, Lil Baby, or Thug way more than they relate to a “lyrical” rapper. So the fact that they’re not saying anything important is extremely false and subjective. There are plenty of lyrical miracle wannabe rappers who are saying a bunch of words fast but actually not saying anything (Logic, Joyner Lucas, Eminem in recent years).

2. Just because they speak with southern slang and accents does not mean they are mumbling and white people need to understand that. How words come out of someone’s mouth has nothing to do with how intelligent that person is or how smart they are. And just because YOU (not you personally but in general) can’t understand what someone is saying, doesn’t mean there isn’t an entire demographic of people who can. For example: I do not speak Spanish, but I think Rosalia has the third best album of the year so far even though I literally cannot understand a word she is saying on the entire album.

Great trap music is definitely able to be on the same level as a great lyrical album, and there’s no logical and fair argument you could make that would prove that otherwise.

I love Pusha T and I love all of his albums, but I’ve gotten way more out of all of the great trap albums of the past 6-7 years. No disrespect to Pusha, but “lyrical” doesn’t automatically equal “better”.

It’s music. It’s a complete audio experience, not who can write the best words on a piece of paper.

Normalize responding to threads with "who gives a f***"

Great era but low key I prefer 2015-