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  • May 4, 2023
    ballerina

    from the nyc reddit:

    This man jumped on me, grabbed my shoulders, and pushed me towards the tracks Sunday night at this very station. I was able to run away but he got physical and chased other people standing on the platform before getting on an uptown train. This whole thing is so sad.

    Boo this person

    Always someone who has to make a minority look even worse.

  • May 4, 2023
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    No matter where you stand on this, there's just no reason for dude to end up dead. If you really believe that him being choked out was the "solution" to his episode...fine? But a choke hold lasting longer than 5mins? There's definitely an intention to kill. Plain and simple.

  • May 4, 2023
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    Smacked Voodoo

    No matter where you stand on this, there's just no reason for dude to end up dead. If you really believe that him being choked out was the "solution" to his episode...fine? But a choke hold lasting longer than 5mins? There's definitely an intention to kill. Plain and simple.

    15 mins is insane

  • May 4, 2023

    15 minute chokehold is still crazy man

  • SegaDreamFlash

    15 mins is insane

    I'm saying. Like if you gotta good choke hold on somebody, which I'm assuming this guy did since he's supposedly a former marine, you can normally incapacitate them within a minute. Fifteen minutes? Bro was definitely just looking to kill somebody no matter what.

  • May 4, 2023
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    Mitch Baker

    need to hear ppl who ride public transportation opinion on this

    not saying he deserved to die but his anti social behavior gonna warrant a response from others he wouldn’t want

    I take the train daily
    There was a busker dude on it once who lowkey snapped and started yelling about he was sick of everything and really might hurt somebody

    And so i and half the car switched cars at the next station

    And that was the end of that

    I think thats the typical reaction (remove yourself from the situation) but ive seen homeless people (and generally outwardly aggressive ppl) directly insult specific people on a train and then the other person starts trying to fight but gets stopped by others before anything actually happens

  • May 4, 2023
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    My thing about people with training from armed forces and police is that they go their whole life being lowkey p**** just to learn some s*** and try it the first situation that arise.

    Like am I the only person that realize that group usually take s*** overboard

  • May 4, 2023
    Pusha P

    That's manslaughter.

    You had no business even doing that s***.

    They released him without charges in sick

    That man wasn’t harming anyone he was just sick and tired he didn’t need to die

  • May 4, 2023
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    TheregoesJalah

    My thing about people with training from armed forces and police is that they go their whole life being lowkey p**** just to learn some s*** and try it the first situation that arise.

    Like am I the only person that realize that group usually take s*** overboard

    Soon as I heard bro was a marine and he put the homeless man in a 15min chokehold I knew that dude was just tryna be a "hero" and doing way too much.

    All that training to take somebody out non-lethally, and the 15min chokehold was the right decision to him...aight man lol

  • Smacked Voodoo

    Soon as I heard bro was a marine and he put the homeless man in a 15min chokehold I knew that dude was just tryna be a "hero" and doing way too much.

    All that training to take somebody out non-lethally, and the 15min chokehold was the right decision to him...aight man lol

    Like they really need to start running background checks and psych a***ysis if a mf want to protect and serve. Cause they can't seem to fathom the fact that every situation not a life or death situation.

    Bruh should be in jail, you telling me out of 15 minutes not one second he thought to himself... I just might kill dude

  • As someone with a mental illness I would be damned if a mf choke me out mid episode and I got millions of mfs online mocking me talking about "he f***ed around and found out"... yeah that y'all ain't s***

  • May 4, 2023
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    younes

    How is this a real question

    A literal quote from the article.

    "None of us who were there thought he was in danger of dying,” Vasquez said. “We thought he just passed out or ran out of air."

    We live amongst these people.

  • May 4, 2023

    this story is f***ing NUTS

  • saw this come across my timeline. liked the perspective

  • May 4, 2023
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    JaeRell

    A literal quote from the article.

    "None of us who were there thought he was in danger of dying,” Vasquez said. “We thought he just passed out or ran out of air."

    We live amongst these people.

    "None of us thought he was in danger of dying ... we thought he ran out of air"

  • May 4, 2023
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    Smacked Voodoo

    "None of us thought he was in danger of dying ... we thought he ran out of air"

    At the end of the day just pray you never get in an physical altercation with an officer

    Cuz civilians will more than likely be complicit in your death if not outright participating like this brick head marine

  • afterimage

    At the end of the day just pray you never get in an physical altercation with an officer

    Cuz civilians will more than likely be complicit in your death if not outright participating like this brick head marine

    S*** with the way NYC been getting gentrified the chances of it happening has risen. Got these random out of town mfers who only been living in NY for a couple months jumping in to be a hero.

    That's what makes this situation so crazy to me. I spent my childhood, teens, and young adulthood in NY. Very familiar with the MTA trains, buses all that. In all my years I have NEVER heard about a homeless person getting choked out or attacked by some random civilian whenever they have an episode. Most people who are actually from the city just look the other way or move to another car on the train. Now there's something that can be said about that for sure, how people ignore those with mental health issues and such. But from what I've learned, it's better to just mind your own instead of getting involved. Cause that's how s*** like this happens smh

  • May 4, 2023
    ChristLike

    The more is that this is NYC and situations like this can go wrong in a heartbeat and as citizens and subway riders we are always on high alert when it comes to aggressive homeless individuals

    Unfortunate that he passed away but I'm sure most straphangers were appreciative that someone intervened and eased their minds

    I doubt most people ITT live in the city and understand the climate. Regardless I believe he will eventually face charges of some sort.

    username to post ratio is in the negative

  • May 4, 2023
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    Mountain Dude

    "NIMBY attitude"

    Maybe in NYC it's different, but homeless d*** addicts have ruined the city I live near to the point local businesses are moving and it's killing our biggest industry (tourism). Our local economy is going to tank because of this stuff and the fact that our government refuses to address the situation in a correct manner.

    never at any point in history have homeless people “ruined a city” lol. What an asinine statement. Homelessness is always a symptom of larger scale problems. Blame the immediately visible symptom and your less visible, structural problems will persist

  • May 4, 2023
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    Einfinet

    never at any point in history have homeless people “ruined a city” lol. What an asinine statement. Homelessness is always a symptom of larger scale problems. Blame the immediately visible symptom and your less visible, structural problems will persist

    You can dodge around this all you want but it still doesn't make you correct. They get enabled by the people giving them money and being allowed to run amok without any repercussions. Look up the Broken Windows theory. It holds up true.

  • May 4, 2023
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    Mountain Dude

    You can dodge around this all you want but it still doesn't make you correct. They get enabled by the people giving them money and being allowed to run amok without any repercussions. Look up the Broken Windows theory. It holds up true.

    How exactly am I the one ‘dodging’? You are the one scapegoating the most vulnerable populations to explain away larger social issues. That sounds like a doge to me.

    (Some would call it cowardly, really pathetic too)

    Point me to one study—economic, historical, or social—that makes a coherent argument about homeless people being the originating problem for a city/financial sector’s issues with economic and social stability. Homelessness is generally understood to be a symptom; acknowledging that is not a ‘dodge’, especially when some politicians like to portray things differently to placate an agitated public

  • HBDUSA 🇺🇸
    May 4, 2023
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    SegaDreamFlash

    In my opinion it shows that this dude needed help and never got it. How do you get to the point where you arrest somebody 40 times and don't see that something is off with this individual or that he needs help?

    I feel like it's an indictment on the system

    How’d he get arrested 40 times? Because he’s homeless. Why didn’t they see something is off with him? Because he’s homeless.

    The fact he got arrested 40 times leads me to believe none of his crimes here violent. Probably all due to being homeless.

  • May 4, 2023
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    HBDUSA

    How’d he get arrested 40 times? Because he’s homeless. Why didn’t they see something is off with him? Because he’s homeless.

    The fact he got arrested 40 times leads me to believe none of his crimes here violent. Probably all due to being homeless.

    they don’t arrest people for being homeless

  • May 4, 2023
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    Mountain Dude

    You can dodge around this all you want but it still doesn't make you correct. They get enabled by the people giving them money and being allowed to run amok without any repercussions. Look up the Broken Windows theory. It holds up true.

    you are looking at this from an extremely weird angle if the blame is placed on people giving other people in need money instead of the reasons why they are in that position in the first place

  • HBDUSA 🇺🇸
    May 4, 2023
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    ballerina

    oh here we go, good insight:

    I practice criminal law in NYC. With the failure of the Legislature to enact any meaningful changes in the bail statute - or even get individuals who are mentally disturbed and terrorizing others on the subway into in-patient mental health facilities, this scenario will only be on the rise.

    There is still zero mechanism for holding a mentally disturbed defendant that is otherwise not eligible for bail (which still only applies to violent felonies - and not in unprovoked street assaults- NY PL assault in the third degree) in custody - pending their 730 mental health assessment.

    With the failure to enact common sense reform, citizens will be emboldened to provide their own version of vigilante "street justice" - and prosecutors will be hard pressed to make any charges stick. I fear that we will see many more versions of "Bernie Goetz" before there is enough public outrage that causes the legislature comes to their senses.

    Oh yes, the anonymous redditor who is against bail reform is a real person we should listen to

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