Pop Smoke already did it. Less verbose flows. Catchier refrains. Obviously the next move is more melodies.

True and Shaybo wont do it either

And canada...

drake really about that global scene building

He's easily the biggest non-US rap crossover too.

I feel like it's one of the thing's he'll be remembered. Coming at the same time as the streaming and social media explosion made him the perfect star to do it too

Yep as CThaGod always says Drake is the last rap superstar.

unrelated but do you like Pa Salieu..

Frontline and Dem a Lie still in rotation for me.. he's got some other decent tracks too. he seems really creative

Nope. Will check him out tho.

Kendrick is post-Drake right? Definitely for the mainstream. Best I Ever Had was 2009.
i only think that's true tho if

Obviously for the UK Stormzy/Dave are post-Drake. And are legit superstars now in the UK.. Our first proper uk stars since dizzee/wiley tbh. AJ and J Hus might even be there now too but not the same level. My older relatives like Stormzy and Dave that's how I know they broken through fr Shame they're not as good as the Kano/Wiley/Dizzee/MIA/Ms Dynamite 2000s stars

headie and unknown t's latest projects

yeah check out Frontline, Dem a Lie and Bang Out.

You've probably heard Frontline.

I like that song he's on with SL, Hit the Block too.

Idk if you f*** with SL but that new track he has with Kenny beats is great imo

Yep Kendrick blew up 2011/12.

You cant compare legends to the young kings.

Sidenote: Skeppy walked in both eras what is crazy to me.

You can cos I'm just comparing the early years. People like stormzy/dave feel like a massive quality drop from those artists in 03/04/05...

There's amazing young artists rn I just feel like the top 1 or 2 aren't actually the best in the scene whereas I feel like in the 2000s overall they were. I'm so wrong about s*** tho most of the people i think are just alright end up like Aitch and the ones I think are the best end up with just a loyal fanbase.

That's true about Skepta culturally but don't you feel like his actual music was nowhere near as big the first time?

It transitions into more tradition rap (Headie One “both”)

I think you’re also comparing the more traditional rappers of today, heavily influenced by Afrobeats and dancehall sounds to grime MCs and MCs who evolved from house, UKG and dubstep, much more electronic. Although there is definitely overlaps

that's an interesting example actually...

Also when Headie did an experimental drill ep with twigs, jamie xx and fred again all working on it, it lost a lot of that drill energy too.

Maybe drill has to stay simple to be drill. But then there are other tracks with samples itt that don't sound as traditional as Both.

its a niche genre

will have its time just like chicago drill did

yeah that's true

but then all of that gave those MCs more character... merging all that heritage can't be a bad thing.

Cos as well as ukg, dnb, dubstep, soundsystem culture, jungle, house etc. they also were influenced by more traditional rap too.

Especially Kano and Dizzee. I hear stuff like 3 6 in Dizzee and with Kano a lot of the goat mcs like nas. Pretty sure dizzee's talked about being influenced early on by US producers like Timbaland too.

CARTI DRILL! 😳CARTI DRILL! 😳

The basis of drill is straight up gang culture, similar to what road rap was back in the 00s. If you extract the gang related elements (name dropping gang activity) then it loses that drill aspect even if it has the traditional 808s, high bpm etc

people said that about most uk genres.. but look at grime, that's had on/off popularity for nearly 20 years now.

it will definitely be niche in the us tho i think

the thing that would stop it staying around in the uk, is they don't really have the content to make a proper connection with people like grime did and i can't see people getting nostalgic over drill like they do over garage

that's true but do you feel like headie one is that removed from that content? it seems like he still manages to come out with tracks that use drill sounds but don't always have that drill feeling..

it's not the same, but don't you think the content got removed from trap and then it's sounds got used by other genres?

That's what happened with dubstep too (not content but sound wise). And it's sort of happened with ukg in the uk and at time dnb too

Definitely rap influence in early grime MCs no doubt 💯 but also a heavy influence of rave culture, lyricism and the live performance aspect. All grime MCs I’ve seen have been exceptional (YGG, P Money, Chip etc) but I can definitely remember poor more generic artists (eg Hardy Caprio or Belly Squad)

Hmm now I think of it I guess when I think of UK drill I think of tracks like “Kennington Where It Started” or “Live Corn” whereas the international perspective of drill is tunes like Drake’s War

I don’t think traditional U.K. drill can go much further than it is simply because to be drill it has to be brutal, direct and violent. Evident with Headie creating a new lane for drill artists to evolve into, which simply isn’t really drill

mike dean p***ography synths

Kanye on drill?

Mike Dean influenced drill with Wondagurl and 808 Melo drums