Those arent real pop albums! Give this a try.

Somehow trying to credit Carly with Taylor making folklore took me out man

Doing way too much and gassing it up to incredible levels

Is her music worth listening to? Never heard her music besides Call Me Maybe

What's Your Pleasure is a good album but Jessie Ware's vocals are so dull to me
I gave up on even attempting to press play on the new one

Yes but its nothing amazing. Just a good listen is all

Tell me you've never listened to Robyn without saying you've never listened to Robyn

like it’s literally common sense

CRJ got a bunch of acclaim online, she’s essentially a hipster token pick, and she’s nowhere near as popular as Taylor, Demi etc. which allows people to consume her music with little to no worry of it threatening their tastes’ sensibilities, (or masculinity) because she’s seen as the enlightened connoisseur taste/pick in comparison to every other artist of that time

it’s even exhibited on this site where these niggas only stan artsy pop hoes like say Weyes Blood or Clairo’s twee Tumblr singer/songwriter s***, anything that fits within that bombastic, corporate pop sheen is despised on here

even Beyonce suffers from that hate to an extent, in addition to her persona being an outspoken black woman who’s confident and doesn’t take any s*** lmao

Real

I don't like Taylor or Robyn but I love Robyn

Saw her in 2019

What I was saying is that when this album came out in 2015 and got attention from the "indie" crowd, critics, Fantanocore audience, etc, a lot of people who didn't listen to pop music and clearly had a disdain for "pop girls" praised it because it was "okay" to like it (it was not successful, imagine liking a successful album by a female pop singer!!)

It has nothing to do with Carly herself and the album's quality

But the mindset has changed definitely

Sidenote: is it a pop girls thing?

I can't imagine the people who don't like pop girls would enjoy Shawn Mendes or Charlie Puth or Sam Smith or insert other generic pop male act

biebs got that hip hop adjacency so it gave him abit more credit with some folks

on god lol

exactly, i actually discussed something like this awhile ago on IG

it’s essentially reverse weave hipsterism with some seasoning on it lol

Fantano is just open minded to all genres
I’d imagine a lot of hipsters are too
You’re strawmanning them

all it became was “okay hating on popular stuff is boring now, SOME of it is okay, BUT only these specific archetypes”

and now we got dudes who think their taste is on a different level because they listen to Drake, Lil Baby, and Charli XCX

It's probably way simpler than that tbh. It was just an album that was for many teens their stepping stone for getting into music, so a lot of people just declare it as revolutionary or groundbreaking or whatever because they dont know any better.

Happens all the time. Like when Blonde came out and people were tripping over themselves to call it avant garde and experimental music because they've barely listened to different genres or any music that released before 2010.

I’ll give her music a shot, thanks

I'm not getting obtuse, I'm just confused as to why it matters that much. Why is Carly being "safe'" for straights a mark on her legacy or a reason to disdain Emotion?

None of this s*** really matters. It doesn't affect the songwriting (Boy Problems is queer af in the right context). Hell, it doesn't even affect the marketing; Carly has never sexualized her music or image to appeal to straight white men, least of all as she's matured as an artist.

Pop stans compete in the persecution Olympics and single out Carly for not being hated enough, not being edgy enough, etc. but why isn't it okay if an artist is just a consummate industry pro who makes great music? She doesn't have a cult of personality around her and maybe that makes her more difficult to sell, but it hasn't affected the way this generation of music listeners appreciates Emotion. The music is still great.

yeah that must explain why each hipster gravitates to only the artsy pop hoe archetypes like Weyes Blood and Charli XCX, while s***ting on all other pop like Katy Perry and Selena Gomez

Maybe it’s because Katy Perry and Selena Gomez f***ing suck

Don't listen to the new one if you weren't crazy about What's Your Pleasure, listen to her debut instead

She is an EXCELLENT vocalist but WYP isn't the best showcase of that even though IMO it's an amazing album

I love Robyn and Carly

I loved Robyn first, Body Talk 1-3 in 2010 was a moment

it isn’t a mark on her legacy, and there isn’t any disdain towards EMOTION, it’s adding context to why the hell the album gets so much acclaim and love across the board lol

it’s a bit disheartening to see this one lady get all of this praise when niggas who actively listen to and adore pop saw a load of legends and artists get endlessly disparaged and discredited simply because they didn’t fit the correct archetype for the average music nerd lmao—she’s still great, but a lot of the acclaim she gets should honestly be going to other acts, but they wouldn’t ever get it because they’re too mainstream or too corporate, or whatever flavor of the month buzzword people like to toss out to s*** on pop artists

kk

Fine, I’ve never given them a full listen, but I’ve never enjoyed their singles
Maybe I’m being unfair
Is there a Selena Gomez album I should listen to?