BLACK ☭Jun 3, 2022·3 repliesBelieve what you wanna believe. I said what I said. Some of you admitted it. Some of you didn't. I am maxed out on the amount of bullshit and mental gymnastics I'm willing to read from you guys for the day
Jun 3, 2022·1 replyBLACK@cloud_rap
just in case you couldn't see it
Since we just copy and pasting now:
Grime is generally considered to be distinct from hip hop due to its roots primarily being genres such as UK garage and jungle.91113
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grime_(music_genre)
"Deeper Than Rap: Grime is Not a Subgenre of Hip-Hop". Complex. Archived from the original on 14 September 2019. Retrieved 14 September 2019.
"Skepta, grime and urban British youth language: a guide". The Conversation. Archived from the original on 8 October 2019.
"Grime is Approaching the Breakthrough Moment Hip-Hop Reached in the 90s". Vice. 21 December 2016. Archived from the original on 5 November 2019.
"Grime time: What it is and where to find it". Standard. 13 May 2016. Archived from the original on 25 October 2019.
"Hip-Hop Or Dancehall? Breaking Down The Grime Scene's Roots". Complex UK. Archived from the original on 6 February 2017. Retrieved 5 February 2017.
- Jun 3, 2022·1 replyBLACK
Believe what you wanna believe. I said what I said. Some of you admitted it. Some of you didn't. I am maxed out on the amount of bullshit and mental gymnastics I'm willing to read from you guys for the day
Typical American, ignorant as s***
- BLACK ☭Jun 3, 2022SEGA GOON
Since we just copy and pasting now:
Grime is generally considered to be distinct from hip hop due to its roots primarily being genres such as UK garage and jungle.91113
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grime_(music_genre)
"Deeper Than Rap: Grime is Not a Subgenre of Hip-Hop". Complex. Archived from the original on 14 September 2019. Retrieved 14 September 2019.
"Skepta, grime and urban British youth language: a guide". The Conversation. Archived from the original on 8 October 2019.
"Grime is Approaching the Breakthrough Moment Hip-Hop Reached in the 90s". Vice. 21 December 2016. Archived from the original on 5 November 2019.
"Grime time: What it is and where to find it". Standard. 13 May 2016. Archived from the original on 25 October 2019.
"Hip-Hop Or Dancehall? Breaking Down The Grime Scene's Roots". Complex UK. Archived from the original on 6 February 2017. Retrieved 5 February 2017. - BLACK ☭Jun 3, 2022SEGA GOON
Typical American, ignorant as s***
- Jun 3, 2022!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vehT9HG6gboSEGA GOON
Lot of people dont know this is Shut Ups instrumental
Bro I s*** you not NPR was using this as one of their interlude tracks the other day. I was in the kitchen and I heard it come on and was like weird I didn’t think I put Ruff Sqwad on and I look at my computer and it’s f***ing NPR.
You know some art student intern heard the Stormzy freestyle and was like “wow cool vapor wave song”
- Jun 3, 2022·1 replyBLACK
Believe what you wanna believe. I said what I said. Some of you admitted it. Some of you didn't. I am maxed out on the amount of bullshit and mental gymnastics I'm willing to read from you guys for the day
what is even the discrepancy in here lmao
- Jun 3, 2022·1 reply
can someone give me the cliffnotes, not clicking through 17 pages
- Jun 3, 2022·2 repliesBLACK
@cloud_rap
just in case you couldn't see itDid you not see the garage and jungle parts either
Why are you elevating hip hop to a higher role in the genres development when it’s well known the other two had significantly more to do with the formation of the sound
Even if you don’t think they had more to do, even if they had equally as much then you insisting it’s a hip hop sub genre is still incorrect
- Jun 3, 2022·1 replycold mountain
can someone give me the cliffnotes, not clicking through 17 pages
Grime and hip-hop have the same ancestor but had a different evolution over the course of the decades and thus are commonly considered different genres. Some American users acknowledge it, some don't.
Note that UK drill and UK rap are different things than grime
- Jun 3, 2022·2 repliesSEGA GOON
Grime and hip-hop have the same ancestor but had a different evolution over the course of the decades and thus are commonly considered different genres. Some American users acknowledge it, some don't.
Note that UK drill and UK rap are different things than grime
so the overall approximate argument is that hip hop and grime are two distinctly separate genres rather than one being a subset of the other...?
...how?
- Jun 3, 2022MyBallsAndMyWord
Did you not see the garage and jungle parts either
Why are you elevating hip hop to a higher role in the genres development when it’s well known the other two had significantly more to do with the formation of the sound
Even if you don’t think they had more to do, even if they had equally as much then you insisting it’s a hip hop sub genre is still incorrect
UK rap is also older than grime, it just is a totally different lane of music
- Jun 3, 2022cold mountain
so the overall approximate argument is that hip hop and grime are two distinctly separate genres rather than one being a subset of the other...?
...how?
Grime grew primarily out of dancehall, jungle, and UK Garage
The beats, BPM, and styles of MCing are all fundamentally different
Of course there’s influence but they have distinct histories, cultures, and sonic lineages
Read Blackdown and Simon Reynolds essays on the hardcore continuum if you really want to dive into it
- BLACK ☭Jun 3, 2022·2 repliescold mountain
what is even the discrepancy in here lmao
them niggas across the water think rap would be over there without us doing it first. they think their music would sound the same without our influence. p sure half these guys are trolling itt tho so don't waste your time like i did lol
- BLACK ☭Jun 3, 2022MyBallsAndMyWord
Did you not see the garage and jungle parts either
Why are you elevating hip hop to a higher role in the genres development when it’s well known the other two had significantly more to do with the formation of the sound
Even if you don’t think they had more to do, even if they had equally as much then you insisting it’s a hip hop sub genre is still incorrect
- Jun 3, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
A lot of you will say this is trash, too aggressive, or simple, but this is a special kind of unmatched energy I've not found elsewhere
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdju3A4Gdyo&ab_channel=GrimeeTubeHate having to put this under the hip hop channel as grime isnt even a form of it
dope song, but you don't have to be so snarky about your personal tastes lol
- Jun 3, 2022
i feel bad for OP. he never had a woman
- Jun 3, 2022·1 replycold mountain
so the overall approximate argument is that hip hop and grime are two distinctly separate genres rather than one being a subset of the other...?
...how?
UK evolution:
Caribbean music (toasting from Jamaica) to dub, 50s, 60s, 70s
Dub to electronic dub to breakbeat, hardcore breakbeat, 80s
That to jungle, drum & bass, 80s, 90s
Those to garage, 90s, 00s
Garage to grime, 90s, 00sEvery single of these genres has MCs. MCing didn't begin with hip-hop.
There's a clear evolution from the 70s all the way to grime appearing in the late 90s early 00s. We posted a bunch of examples ITT.
US evolution was different. It also began from Jamaican sound system culture but the MC became way more important in a way quicker time than in the UK, where the MCs were often just an afterthought until the late 90s, early 00s. Imagine hip-hop never turning away from turntables and breakbeats for 3 decades.
Grime is an electronic genre. It has more emphasis on singles than albums, has more remixes and instrumentals, more emphasis on DJ playlists and such.
The BPM are much higher, usually at least 140 BPM, and the flow is different.
Jun 3, 2022niggas rapping on iphone ringtones
- Jun 3, 2022·1 replyBLACK
them niggas across the water think rap would be over there without us doing it first. they think their music would sound the same without our influence. p sure half these guys are trolling itt tho so don't waste your time like i did lol
I live in the the US and have been listening to hip hop, grime, and jungle all my life lol. They’re the three types of music I’m the most passionate about. I’m not hating on hip hop when I make the arguments I am, I’m just trying to dispel ignorance
- Jun 3, 2022·1 replyBLACK
them niggas across the water think rap would be over there without us doing it first. they think their music would sound the same without our influence. p sure half these guys are trolling itt tho so don't waste your time like i did lol
So you admit it's just a nationalist thing for you lmao
I am neither American nor British so I am not biased about it at all, you are just being wilfully ignorant
- Jun 3, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
UK evolution:
Caribbean music (toasting from Jamaica) to dub, 50s, 60s, 70s
Dub to electronic dub to breakbeat, hardcore breakbeat, 80s
That to jungle, drum & bass, 80s, 90s
Those to garage, 90s, 00s
Garage to grime, 90s, 00sEvery single of these genres has MCs. MCing didn't begin with hip-hop.
There's a clear evolution from the 70s all the way to grime appearing in the late 90s early 00s. We posted a bunch of examples ITT.
US evolution was different. It also began from Jamaican sound system culture but the MC became way more important in a way quicker time than in the UK, where the MCs were often just an afterthought until the late 90s, early 00s. Imagine hip-hop never turning away from turntables and breakbeats for 3 decades.
Grime is an electronic genre. It has more emphasis on singles than albums, has more remixes and instrumentals, more emphasis on DJ playlists and such.
The BPM are much higher, usually at least 140 BPM, and the flow is different.
That middle paragraph about turntables and MCing is a great way to put it
- BLACK ☭Jun 3, 2022MyBallsAndMyWord
I live in the the US and have been listening to hip hop, grime, and jungle all my life lol. They’re the three types of music I’m the most passionate about. I’m not hating on hip hop when I make the arguments I am, I’m just trying to dispel ignorance
- BLACK ☭Jun 3, 2022SEGA GOON
So you admit it's just a nationalist thing for you lmao
I am neither American nor British so I am not biased about it at all, you are just being wilfully ignorant
Jun 3, 2022·1 replyBLACKBelieve what you wanna believe. I said what I said. Some of you admitted it. Some of you didn't. I am maxed out on the amount of bullshit and mental gymnastics I'm willing to read from you guys for the day
I don't understand what you've been arguing itt tbh
the grime historians itt already agreed with u that hip hop influenced grime but they don't agree with calling it a subgenre of hiphop since it's not even it's dominant influence (citing dub, dancehall, electronic music genres as playing more of a roll in grime's inception (if Im not mistaken))
not only did the ktt grime historians come with bare facts, receipts and hard tracks: other credible sources also support what they're saying
so what's the issue?