I don't know many venues cause im from Birmingham and currently live up north unfortunately

You a fan of Skream?

the 80s yeah, then djs became producers & hosts

it still had its own electric era & many more, it isnt just disco like someone said itt

the sound diversified right away into jazz, funk, soul, gospel, electronic etc. especially when it started hitting other parts on the east & other sides

It only stayed contained for like one to 2 years in the mid 70s

so why did it switch to rapping

Aside from the explanation Goon gave, the beats are way different and it’s at a different BPM. The style of rapping is also completely different and generally more focused on “reload bars” and such cuz it’s meant to be played in a rave setting. Grime MCs and hip hop MCs are trying to do two fundamentally different things

Yes, big fan of his early stuff. Been listening to him for years

His remix of Ancient Memories is still one of the hardest tracks ever

Oh and I’m going to Bristol for a day too

Here you can hear more typical MCing with a late garage/early grime group (So Solid Crew, one of the originators of the genre).

Of course grime MCs are influenced by US rappers though. This influence probably became strong from the late 2000s until the mid 2010s, but since then there has been a revival of more traditional grime.

Real recognize real comrade

The art of rapping over a beat is hip hop idc how bad you dont want that label its still hip hop

Everybody thats makes pop style drake safe rap to the drill rappers self snitching all fall under the same umbrella

Grime is subgenre in hip hop im not letting ya deny it because ya sound crazy rn @cloud_rap

@op a legend for this one. We even created garage. UK we are GOATED!

f***ing europeans

We djdnt create garage to be fair

Facts

You man tryna colonise us back

Naaa that falls under hip hop i will argue this all day

MCing existed before hip-hop

Listen to any reggae record from the 70s
Listen to any drum & bass record and tell me thats hip-hop with a straight face dawg

They’re two completely different type of MCing. And that statement is patently false lol dancehall and dub MCs were essentially rapping over their s*** before hip hop. And grime owes more to that style than it does hip hop

You created 2 step garage but not garage as whole. People usually talking about 2 step when they talk garage tho so I get what he means

UK Soul music >>>

I used to say the same but nah they're different. Grime is obviously influenced by hip hop as seen with rapping. But other genres have also incorporated elements from hip hop and remained their own separate genre, like trip hop even pop music nowadays too

Some of yall are just completely incapable of even trying to learn about scenes you’re ignorant about the disrespect in here is crazy and it sucks because yall are missing out on some of the most amazing music if you actual took the time to give it a shot and learn

And yall know I be hating Europeans so if I’m defending them yall f***ed up

Keep my name out your nasty mouth

I used to think grime was hip-hop too but then I looked into its history and I realized I was wrong. It has a totally different evolution, development and history than hip-hop.

It goes
Caribbean sound system culture -> dub music -> jungle music -> drum & bass + garage -> grime

USA went from sound system culture to hip-hop pretty quickly.

Cool but ima say it again anything that has rapping in it (the art of rhyming over beats) is hip hop

Rap and hip hop are the same

How can you rap without it being hip hop? you cant deny the roots

Think this the misconception tho. The style of rappinng/mc has been done for a minute, blues, dancehall,reggae and spoken word has done it.

It's just that hip hop took it to a whole another level

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