DUB AND DANCEHALL MCS WERE RHYMING OVER BEATS BEFORE THEY EVER HEARD OF HIP HOP OR BEFORE HIP HOP EXISTED

How many f***ing times do people have to tell you this. Yall being willfully ignorant

Rap music and hip-hop are the same in todays terms yes.

But with hip-hop we mean the genre that comes from New York City.

It is possible to rap (or MC) without it being hip-hop. Dancehall has MCs, dub has MCs, reggae has MCs, and a bunch of electronic genres have MCs (these later became grime).

It's like saying the genre is "singing", it doesn't make sense. Rock can have singing, pop can have singing.

BTW, a lot of nu-metal and corny 90s rock has rapping too, but I wouldn't call it hip-hop.

Grime was legendary

Crazy week to feel bad for Americans and this be the reason

Ty, youre the first one that actually broke it down instead of saying vague s*** or just insulting & I ask this question everytime a thread like this gets brought up

Im not a fan personally of the straight up Rapping style of EU/UK (although I do have an occasional song here n there I do like). I do enjoy UK Garage.

And I especially always loved the Alt RnB scene over there n was on it early af such as James Blake, Sampha, FKA Twigs etc. since 2010/2011

I appreciate it

are u referring to toasting ?

Im not denying that its its own subgenre but to say it doesnt fall under hip hop when you can also call it “uk rap” is silly

Toasting is the predecessor to rapping, yeah.

The funniest part is you thought this could be “too aggressive”

Cute

UK rap is a totally different genre with a different tradition, sound and vibe

More or less yes. He’s literally saying specifically that “rhyming over a beat” is inherently hip hop. Which is not the case

Nigga they rap and say that theyre rapping

Rap is hip hop im not goin back and forth.

So you’re saying even Pete Tosh was making hip hop music lol ight keep being a dumbass

UK rap is something different from grime tho

They get conflated with eachother cause people misused the term to describe anything that had rap in it in the uk

Yeah idk how much Rap op has heard lol &even Death Grips "is Rap"

Not a fan of the song in op tho, isnt aggressive to me just comes messy & obnoxious

Pmo to the difference between Uk rap uk hip hop and grime

We literally arguing about labels and you niggas got me hot denying hip hop and its f***ing roots

Im saying any kid rapping over a beat is making hip hop

I dont got time to google the reference in ya lame ass joke try again

yeah one of the biggest reggae artists of all time is such an obscure reference

So you’re telling me this is hip hop

From what i understand is that the modern era is influenced by Rap.

But it didnt start out that way but had a similar development story, but more electronic focused as a whole (while US did still have that such as West's "Electro" short lived era, but wasnt as a whole).

They had their own Jamaican natives that they built up from, n then it start apeing some US stuff in the 00s. And now in the 10s to now everything is a melting pot.

Now I understand the cousin talk.

In simple terms

Grime:

UK hip hop:

UK hip hop is pretty much what u hear out here but with a uk accent

No one denying hip hop and its roots, we're just saying grime isnt really hip hop it's own separate thing

Its basically one of those things of "if u take the same origin/thing to two diff places will it develop the same" brain teaser

N in this case basically yes

Biggest takeaway from this thread is that Jamaicans highkey one the biggest influences on culture around the world