browser

8mo

Lmaoo niggas dont have nothing to say to this

Kee

8mo

I accepted that niggas really won't appreciate dudes like Q-Tip, CD Ye, Mos, or someone like Common nowadays.

Especially when society and hip-hop has pushed for niggas to model their image and sound to be like Wayne.

mr get dough

8mo

idk how valid this is but some stories I heard is DOOM was actually a G and ran with an extortion team

He even fell out with some rappers he used to work with early in his career over some street s*** and he used to call out niggas for capping in they raps

I think he may have honestly been legit but just more of a lowkey grimey dude rather than a flashy type

insertcoolnamehere

8mo

At allllllll

Oblivion X

8mo

Probably a hot take, but the rappers ya looking for. The ones with quality and mainstream success are probably gonna start coming from international acts more than the u.s

Niggas like Dave are bout to fill in that role

M To the Ozu

8mo

Kendrick’s foundation was laid almost 15 years ago. I can’t think of a single 2020s rapper that could come out in the same way and have the same effect. Charisma or not, they didn’t have quote tweets when Kanye came out and that’s the sad reaity

browser

8mo

I feel it but this seems like the type of thing that snowballed into what you’re saying from Doom just having friends who would be the first to handle street s*** for him like most niggas who get to the point of actually getting booked for shows and s*** in this rap s***. The nature of you getting attention for rap in your city will guide you to those type of niggas lol

mr get dough

8mo

I don’t think that’s true honestly

A nigga like that just also has to make good music that niggas want to hear, I feel like niggas think having a message or having a good flow is enough when they’re in that lane nowadays

I dont see anybody making music on the level the guys you named were making and failing, its just nobody is doing it to that level anymore. I still think if a nigga dropped an album as good as Like Water For Chocolate today he would still be able to make a good ass living off music even if he wasnt the top selling nigga but honestly Common wasnt the top selling nigga either

hybrid supreme

8mo

"why do we hold conscious rappers to a higher standard"

bro because they constantly preach that s*** and form their identity and image around that...

Why do we hold pastors to a higher standard?

mr get dough

8mo

I get holding them to a higher standard I think that’s more than fair

I just don’t think expecting a person to never contradict themselves is that reasonable

browser

8mo

Ive said for years on here that Smino should be way bigger. Smino not being a top 5-10 rap act at least is a perfect example of what chuck is saying

He had melody, new innovative sound with monte, can make radio ish records, b****es like him, and can rap both in a modern way and a classic but he likely will never get above his current place and certainly has been lapped by people like f***in ken carson destroy lonely and yeat lmao. Smino is the perfect example of the type of dude chuck would be talking about altough i dont think he’s ever made a college dropout level project he still should receive more attention and “standing” in the rap game

hybrid supreme

8mo

Bro Common just dropped this week and that s*** was f***ing flames

Dudes just not rapping that good anymore fr lol

mr get dough

8mo

I don’t think that’s true honestly

A nigga like that just also has to make good music that niggas want to hear, I feel like niggas think having a message or having a good flow is enough when they’re in that lane nowadays

I dont see anybody making music on the level the guys you named were making and failing, its just nobody is doing it to that level anymore. I still think if a nigga dropped an album as good as Like Water For Chocolate today he would still be able to make a good ass living off music even if he wasnt the top selling nigga but honestly Common wasnt the top selling nigga either

hybrid supreme

8mo

"why do we hold conscious rappers to a higher standard"

bro because they constantly preach that s*** and form their identity and image around that...

Why do we hold pastors to a higher standard?

met

8mo

Again,

We are talking about two different concepts. I understand these guys are not popular as they should be. I'm combating the take that they'd be ridiculed for doing conscious s***

Anyway,

Trap is the dominant norm now
Gangsta rap was the dominant norm

Like someone said, we need someone to break that cycle, it will happen eventually. 5-6 years ago emo rap was huge, but all those guys died off.

Kee

8mo

This is true, but I always feel like image and marketing will always be key component to success no matter what.

You can be amazing MC/hitmaker, but if you not someone that the culture wants to root for or the women to adore over, they'll throw you to the side.

browser

8mo

Not a hot take at all. They probably value our older s*** way more than we do

browser

8mo

You’re vaguely boiling down all “conscious” rappers into being preachy dudes that claim to never have any flaws or foul tendencies to them

Im not the biggest common fan but can assume he references being a womanizer in his music and isnt on some “man get married and stop having s***with multiple women” type s*** in his music. Him talking about the government and how they’ve manipulated chicago means he’s a hypocrite for consensually dating a lot of black women in his age range? Lol seems like an excuse to throw out any consumption of conscious music because these dudes are simply human

met

8mo

@op I do apologise for coming with bad energy because it did spring up some good conversation

mr get dough

8mo

I agree 100% that image and marketing is crucial

But thats the problem right there is I feel like young lyrical rappers automatically assume they can’t have an image or marketing that people want to hear

Like maybe young lyrical rappers should try being more interesting or making better songs if they wanna get bigger, its definitely possible like Jid made a legit hit not too long ago obviously he had to build up to it but yeah

Kee

8mo

I do think JID having too much of image of modern day rapper is probably holding people back from being interested in him. Like I could understand why people could take a look at him and say "oh another Wayne clone"

mr get dough

8mo

I don’t think that’s true honestly

A nigga like that just also has to make good music that niggas want to hear, I feel like niggas think having a message or having a good flow is enough when they’re in that lane nowadays

I dont see anybody making music on the level the guys you named were making and failing, its just nobody is doing it to that level anymore. I still think if a nigga dropped an album as good as Like Water For Chocolate today he would still be able to make a good ass living off music even if he wasnt the top selling nigga but honestly Common wasnt the top selling nigga either