Feb 5
Bird BoyNone of this is going to happen—it’s just political posturing.
Israeli Zionist intelligence, along with U.S., Egyptian, and Jordanian intelligence agencies, all know that trying to relocate two million people—many of whom include militant groups—into Egypt would be a disaster. Even within Israeli Zionist military and political circles, the idea of mass displacement into Egypt has been floated, but it’s not realistic. Egypt is already unstable, and President Sisi’s government depends heavily on U.S. financial and military aid to stay in power. The U.S. pours billions into Egypt’s security forces, especially its secret police, to keep the country from unraveling. Dumping two million people into that situation, including tens of thousands of militants with existing contacts in Egypt, would create massive unrest.
Israeli Zionists have historically looked at the Sinai as a possible relocation zone for Palestinians, but Egypt’s economy is already hanging by a thread. The country is dealing with a massive debt crisis, inflation, and high unemployment—taking in two million people would push it over the edge. Security experts have repeatedly warned about militant groups operating in Sinai, especially Wilayat Sinai (the local ISIS affiliate), which regularly attacks Egyptian security forces. Throwing more people into that mix, especially militants who already have networks in Egypt, would almost guarantee chaos. If Egypt collapses into internal conflict, it wouldn’t stop at its borders—the country has a population of over 100 million, and a refugee crisis on that scale would spill into Europe, Canada, and the U.S. Iran and others would see this as an opportunity to further enforce their positioning and axis of resistance. The risk of a coup against Sisi’s government in this scenario is something U.S. and Israeli Zionist intelligence have long been aware of. This is the backstop of why Palestinians haven’t already been displaced into Egypt in mass.
Jordan was never even a serious consideration Jordan is a long term U.S. and Israeli Zionist ally, with strong military and intelligence ties. The Jordanian security forces, backed by the U.S., Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, are ruthless in cracking down on political dissent, especially from pro-Palestinian groups. The idea that the U.S. or Israel would push over a million refugees and 50,000 militants into Jordan—a country that has already normalized ties with Israel and serves as a key buffer state—is completely detached from reality. Jordan is already struggling with the economic impact of Syrian refugees, and intelligence reports have consistently pointed out that any further destabilization would be a direct threat to Western interests. This is why Jordan was never part of any serious displacement plan.
This isn’t just about Trump—Biden and the Democrats have also quietly considered using Egypt as a way to contain Palestinian displacement. U.S. policy in the region has long treated Egypt as a tool for keeping instability in check, but never in a way that would actually push the country to collapse. The difference between Trump’s approach and Biden’s is mostly in how they talk about it. The reality remains the same: U.S. and Israeli Zionist intelligence know this plan isn’t viable, and it isn’t happening.
Trump’s statements should be seen for what they are—political theater. His advisors, including those in the intelligence community, are almost certainly telling him this plan is a dead end. Even Netanyahu’s body language when addressing the issue made it clear that this isn’t a serious policy. Destabilizing Egypt and Jordan goes against everything American and Israeli Zionist security strategy is built around. This whole discussion is just a distraction, not something that will ever actually happen.
If you really want to know what the Israeli expansion priorities are you need to take a look at the West Bank, which has fallen out of the news cycle completely
greatly appreciate this writeup
- Feb 5·6 replies
@Bird Boy
All this anger and posturing is pointless, especially when it's targeted towards civilians who are also victims of the United States on their own soil?
This is the problem with online leftists' angry purity test bullshit. You fail to meet the people where they are at and they unilaterally reject you because you want to punish and hate them for a system many of them were born into.
Why am I being blamed for Reagan era policies ? Why can't I focus on my country and not what's going on across the globe from me?
Do you not understand how unpopular support for Israel is on EVERY SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM IN THE UNITED STATES? How unpopular the Iraq war was, how unpopular the war in Vietnam was? How unpopular it is to even send aid to Ukraine?
But because we have no choice but to participate in the system and try to change it it's all of our faults and therefore we wanted this? When there are actors in our own country that actively thwart any positive efforts because of a false sense of moral superiority + literal fascists in the opposite camp trying to make our country an open market?
Not voting is not protesting. It's paving the way for a rule by the few
And I don't feel dirty, nor do I feel sorry or any guilt for choosing to do what's right for me and my family and your condemnation means nothing. Because I know that many of us did not want this.
- Feb 5·edited·1 replyFka Groovy
@Bird Boy
All this anger and posturing is pointless, especially when it's targeted towards civilians who are also victims of the United States on their own soil?
This is the problem with online leftists' angry purity test bullshit. You fail to meet the people where they are at and they unilaterally reject you because you want to punish and hate them for a system many of them were born into.
Why am I being blamed for Reagan era policies ? Why can't I focus on my country and not what's going on across the globe from me?
Do you not understand how unpopular support for Israel is on EVERY SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM IN THE UNITED STATES? How unpopular the Iraq war was, how unpopular the war in Vietnam was? How unpopular it is to even send aid to Ukraine?
But because we have no choice but to participate in the system and try to change it it's all of our faults and therefore we wanted this? When there are actors in our own country that actively thwart any positive efforts because of a false sense of moral superiority + literal fascists in the opposite camp trying to make our country an open market?
Not voting is not protesting. It's paving the way for a rule by the few
And I don't feel dirty, nor do I feel sorry or any guilt for choosing to do what's right for me and my family and your condemnation means nothing. Because I know that many of us did not want this.
Guy, I don’t give a f***. There is no feasible U.S. administration that will ever do anything tangible for Palestine.
Even if 90% of the electorate in your country supported Palestinian statehood, it wouldn’t change the geopolitical reality.
Do you really think the U.S. is opposed to pursuing a foreign policy move just because it’s universally unpopular domestically? Are you f***ing kidding me? Do you think I actually believe that anything can be achieved through voting or by pandering to Americans with “vote more left” rhetoric? Jill Stein supported that war criminal Assad and played into Russian interests. There is no hope in American “democracy,” even in its most left-wing form.
Regardless of any human rights argument concerning Palestine—or any other issue—the U.S., as a unipolar superpower, is not going to forfeit its influence in regions critical to international trade and geopolitics.
The United States doesn’t care about Zionism. It doesn’t care about Jewish people. It doesn’t care about Palestinians. It cares about the level of military and economic influence it can exert—nothing more. No amount of lobbying or activism will change that fundamental reality.
As for me, my home, and my family, the only reason I even bothered to explain this to you people is to check my own sanity—just to avoid being constantly gaslit by idiots who believe in American democracy and think there’s any hope in diplomatic solutions.
Get f***ing real. I don’t give a f*** about anyone voting or how you voted in particular it makes no f***ing difference.
Your entire is meeee, meeeee, meeeee. Pathetic.
Feb 5·1 replyFka Groovy@Bird Boy
All this anger and posturing is pointless, especially when it's targeted towards civilians who are also victims of the United States on their own soil?
This is the problem with online leftists' angry purity test bullshit. You fail to meet the people where they are at and they unilaterally reject you because you want to punish and hate them for a system many of them were born into.
Why am I being blamed for Reagan era policies ? Why can't I focus on my country and not what's going on across the globe from me?
Do you not understand how unpopular support for Israel is on EVERY SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM IN THE UNITED STATES? How unpopular the Iraq war was, how unpopular the war in Vietnam was? How unpopular it is to even send aid to Ukraine?
But because we have no choice but to participate in the system and try to change it it's all of our faults and therefore we wanted this? When there are actors in our own country that actively thwart any positive efforts because of a false sense of moral superiority + literal fascists in the opposite camp trying to make our country an open market?
Not voting is not protesting. It's paving the way for a rule by the few
And I don't feel dirty, nor do I feel sorry or any guilt for choosing to do what's right for me and my family and your condemnation means nothing. Because I know that many of us did not want this.
its not a purity test when both of the parties allowed are massmurdering children. Either you reject it or you dont. You as a person who does not reject it can also paint it as some form of resistance instead of prioritizing your own wellbeing over that of others, but why should anyone care? boohoo
- Feb 5·1 replyFka Groovy
@Bird Boy
All this anger and posturing is pointless, especially when it's targeted towards civilians who are also victims of the United States on their own soil?
This is the problem with online leftists' angry purity test bullshit. You fail to meet the people where they are at and they unilaterally reject you because you want to punish and hate them for a system many of them were born into.
Why am I being blamed for Reagan era policies ? Why can't I focus on my country and not what's going on across the globe from me?
Do you not understand how unpopular support for Israel is on EVERY SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM IN THE UNITED STATES? How unpopular the Iraq war was, how unpopular the war in Vietnam was? How unpopular it is to even send aid to Ukraine?
But because we have no choice but to participate in the system and try to change it it's all of our faults and therefore we wanted this? When there are actors in our own country that actively thwart any positive efforts because of a false sense of moral superiority + literal fascists in the opposite camp trying to make our country an open market?
Not voting is not protesting. It's paving the way for a rule by the few
And I don't feel dirty, nor do I feel sorry or any guilt for choosing to do what's right for me and my family and your condemnation means nothing. Because I know that many of us did not want this.
By the way, congrats on centering yourself once again in the context of an entire genocide that your country across all political parties supports
My poor American baby
- Feb 5Fka Groovy
@Bird Boy
All this anger and posturing is pointless, especially when it's targeted towards civilians who are also victims of the United States on their own soil?
This is the problem with online leftists' angry purity test bullshit. You fail to meet the people where they are at and they unilaterally reject you because you want to punish and hate them for a system many of them were born into.
Why am I being blamed for Reagan era policies ? Why can't I focus on my country and not what's going on across the globe from me?
Do you not understand how unpopular support for Israel is on EVERY SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM IN THE UNITED STATES? How unpopular the Iraq war was, how unpopular the war in Vietnam was? How unpopular it is to even send aid to Ukraine?
But because we have no choice but to participate in the system and try to change it it's all of our faults and therefore we wanted this? When there are actors in our own country that actively thwart any positive efforts because of a false sense of moral superiority + literal fascists in the opposite camp trying to make our country an open market?
Not voting is not protesting. It's paving the way for a rule by the few
And I don't feel dirty, nor do I feel sorry or any guilt for choosing to do what's right for me and my family and your condemnation means nothing. Because I know that many of us did not want this.
why are you pressing meeeee im just a small little insignificant guyyy boo hoo
Feb 5Fka Groovy@Bird Boy
All this anger and posturing is pointless, especially when it's targeted towards civilians who are also victims of the United States on their own soil?
This is the problem with online leftists' angry purity test bullshit. You fail to meet the people where they are at and they unilaterally reject you because you want to punish and hate them for a system many of them were born into.
Why am I being blamed for Reagan era policies ? Why can't I focus on my country and not what's going on across the globe from me?
Do you not understand how unpopular support for Israel is on EVERY SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM IN THE UNITED STATES? How unpopular the Iraq war was, how unpopular the war in Vietnam was? How unpopular it is to even send aid to Ukraine?
But because we have no choice but to participate in the system and try to change it it's all of our faults and therefore we wanted this? When there are actors in our own country that actively thwart any positive efforts because of a false sense of moral superiority + literal fascists in the opposite camp trying to make our country an open market?
Not voting is not protesting. It's paving the way for a rule by the few
And I don't feel dirty, nor do I feel sorry or any guilt for choosing to do what's right for me and my family and your condemnation means nothing. Because I know that many of us did not want this.
This is why the system continues
- Feb 5·1 replyBird Boy
By the way, congrats on centering yourself once again in the context of an entire genocide that your country across all political parties supports
My poor American baby
wont someone think of the americans???????
- Feb 5Plight2
its not a purity test when both of the parties allowed are massmurdering children. Either you reject it or you dont. You as a person who does not reject it can also paint it as some form of resistance instead of prioritizing your own wellbeing over that of others, but why should anyone care? boohoo
It's unreal that dems / liberals are acting so high and mighty today they have really convinced themselves that they were the better option on this issue when they were 100% the same
- Feb 5WRU
wont someone think of the americans???????
Seriously, I find nonsense like that and delusion more fundamentally annoying than a literal Israeli telling me that ha ha your family is dead
You both are fine with the same result, except one is more transparent
My only solace is seeing American democracy unravel due to its own contradictions and having idiots like the person above whole pretend reality blow up in their face
- Feb 5·edited·9 repliesBird Boy
Guy, I don’t give a f***. There is no feasible U.S. administration that will ever do anything tangible for Palestine.
Even if 90% of the electorate in your country supported Palestinian statehood, it wouldn’t change the geopolitical reality.
Do you really think the U.S. is opposed to pursuing a foreign policy move just because it’s universally unpopular domestically? Are you f***ing kidding me? Do you think I actually believe that anything can be achieved through voting or by pandering to Americans with “vote more left” rhetoric? Jill Stein supported that war criminal Assad and played into Russian interests. There is no hope in American “democracy,” even in its most left-wing form.
Regardless of any human rights argument concerning Palestine—or any other issue—the U.S., as a unipolar superpower, is not going to forfeit its influence in regions critical to international trade and geopolitics.
The United States doesn’t care about Zionism. It doesn’t care about Jewish people. It doesn’t care about Palestinians. It cares about the level of military and economic influence it can exert—nothing more. No amount of lobbying or activism will change that fundamental reality.
As for me, my home, and my family, the only reason I even bothered to explain this to you people is to check my own sanity—just to avoid being constantly gaslit by idiots who believe in American democracy and think there’s any hope in diplomatic solutions.
Get f***ing real. I don’t give a f*** about anyone voting or how you voted in particular it makes no f***ing difference.
Your entire is meeee, meeeee, meeeee. Pathetic.
WE DON'T F***ING HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU WHAT DON'T YOU GET? You guys are mistaken I'm not ASKING you for forgiveness for things I didn't do. I don't owe you s***.
I don't need/want forgiveness because I didn't do anything and I know where my heart stands. I'm TELLING you it's useless because Americans cannot feel sorry. You're having a tantrum at the wrong people
You're not my responsibility, I'm not Arab, I'm not Palestinian, the empathy and aid you get from us is completely contingent on us trying to and being ABLE to do something outside of the scope of our lives. Is it not a popular sentiment that America should stay out of foreign affairs? Are we just not doing "enough?"
I will reiterate, the VAST majority of Americans did not want this and do not want this and your answer to shame, shame, shame and blame for them not doing enough? So because a tiny percentage of our leaders who are ruled by money are responsible- we all COLLECTIVELY deserve the punishment?
F*** all that I won't repent for sins I did not commit. You can b****, you can moan, you can blame and I will sleep the same I will wake up and I will go to work. That's the unfortunate truth of the world it doesn't stop.
Why are you bringing up Jill Stein, it just shows your ignorance
How many "unpure" liberals already know she's a f***ing puppet and plant designed to appeal to the self righteous and siphon idiots who btw don't even make up 3% of the total voting population. Simply put if you are voting or choosing not to based on moral superiority, you have a room temperature IQ. You are siding in the destruction of not even just America, because this country will not go under without dragging people with us.
The problem is the sheep are so busy criticizing the Shepherd that they willingly side with the wolves. Facts do not matter. Rhetoric matters. If you can't effectively communicate to a captured audience they're frogs in a boiling bath, they will just continue to boil- you aren't meeting them where they're at.
In America, there are many of us who actively try and fight this. Many of us who actively want to make change besides posturing online, actively aid our communities, actively vote for social progressiveness and it's not an easy path.
All these f***ing purity tests, it gets you nothing but what it does to is radicalize the people who aren't plugged in and they misdirect their anger and energy. Because they want to hate the system that oppresses them and then there is you guys waving a huge "HATE ME" sign, the wolves use it to their advantage, and that's where they flock. They never wake up.
- Feb 5·1 replyFka Groovy· edited
WE DON'T F***ING HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU WHAT DON'T YOU GET? You guys are mistaken I'm not ASKING you for forgiveness for things I didn't do. I don't owe you s***.
I don't need/want forgiveness because I didn't do anything and I know where my heart stands. I'm TELLING you it's useless because Americans cannot feel sorry. You're having a tantrum at the wrong people
You're not my responsibility, I'm not Arab, I'm not Palestinian, the empathy and aid you get from us is completely contingent on us trying to and being ABLE to do something outside of the scope of our lives. Is it not a popular sentiment that America should stay out of foreign affairs? Are we just not doing "enough?"
I will reiterate, the VAST majority of Americans did not want this and do not want this and your answer to shame, shame, shame and blame for them not doing enough? So because a tiny percentage of our leaders who are ruled by money are responsible- we all COLLECTIVELY deserve the punishment?
F*** all that I won't repent for sins I did not commit. You can b****, you can moan, you can blame and I will sleep the same I will wake up and I will go to work. That's the unfortunate truth of the world it doesn't stop.
Why are you bringing up Jill Stein, it just shows your ignorance
How many "unpure" liberals already know she's a f***ing puppet and plant designed to appeal to the self righteous and siphon idiots who btw don't even make up 3% of the total voting population. Simply put if you are voting or choosing not to based on moral superiority, you have a room temperature IQ. You are siding in the destruction of not even just America, because this country will not go under without dragging people with us.
The problem is the sheep are so busy criticizing the Shepherd that they willingly side with the wolves. Facts do not matter. Rhetoric matters. If you can't effectively communicate to a captured audience they're frogs in a boiling bath, they will just continue to boil- you aren't meeting them where they're at.
In America, there are many of us who actively try and fight this. Many of us who actively want to make change besides posturing online, actively aid our communities, actively vote for social progressiveness and it's not an easy path.
All these f***ing purity tests, it gets you nothing but what it does to is radicalize the people who aren't plugged in and they misdirect their anger and energy. Because they want to hate the system that oppresses them and then there is you guys waving a huge "HATE ME" sign, the wolves use it to their advantage, and that's where they flock. They never wake up.
hope your friends get deported
- Feb 5·1 replyWRU
hope your friends get deported
Russia is a failed state
- Feb 5·edited·2 repliesFka Groovy· edited
WE DON'T F***ING HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU WHAT DON'T YOU GET? You guys are mistaken I'm not ASKING you for forgiveness for things I didn't do. I don't owe you s***.
I don't need/want forgiveness because I didn't do anything and I know where my heart stands. I'm TELLING you it's useless because Americans cannot feel sorry. You're having a tantrum at the wrong people
You're not my responsibility, I'm not Arab, I'm not Palestinian, the empathy and aid you get from us is completely contingent on us trying to and being ABLE to do something outside of the scope of our lives. Is it not a popular sentiment that America should stay out of foreign affairs? Are we just not doing "enough?"
I will reiterate, the VAST majority of Americans did not want this and do not want this and your answer to shame, shame, shame and blame for them not doing enough? So because a tiny percentage of our leaders who are ruled by money are responsible- we all COLLECTIVELY deserve the punishment?
F*** all that I won't repent for sins I did not commit. You can b****, you can moan, you can blame and I will sleep the same I will wake up and I will go to work. That's the unfortunate truth of the world it doesn't stop.
Why are you bringing up Jill Stein, it just shows your ignorance
How many "unpure" liberals already know she's a f***ing puppet and plant designed to appeal to the self righteous and siphon idiots who btw don't even make up 3% of the total voting population. Simply put if you are voting or choosing not to based on moral superiority, you have a room temperature IQ. You are siding in the destruction of not even just America, because this country will not go under without dragging people with us.
The problem is the sheep are so busy criticizing the Shepherd that they willingly side with the wolves. Facts do not matter. Rhetoric matters. If you can't effectively communicate to a captured audience they're frogs in a boiling bath, they will just continue to boil- you aren't meeting them where they're at.
In America, there are many of us who actively try and fight this. Many of us who actively want to make change besides posturing online, actively aid our communities, actively vote for social progressiveness and it's not an easy path.
All these f***ing purity tests, it gets you nothing but what it does to is radicalize the people who aren't plugged in and they misdirect their anger and energy. Because they want to hate the system that oppresses them and then there is you guys waving a huge "HATE ME" sign, the wolves use it to their advantage, and that's where they flock. They never wake up.
What an incoherent mix of deflection, misplaced self-importance, and blatant contradictions.
1. “WE DON’T F***ING HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU WHAT DON’T YOU GET?”
No one is asking you, personally, to “do something.” The conversation isn’t about personal guilt—it’s about structural power, global influence, and the reality that U.S. policy impacts the world in ways that make “staying out of it” impossible. The idea that America can opt out of the consequences of its own actions is naive at best, and willfully ignorant at worst.
2. “You guys are mistaken I’m not ASKING you for forgiveness for things I didn’t do. I don’t owe you s***.”
No one is asking for your personal repentance. No one cares about your fragile conscience. This isn’t about you as an individual—it’s about the geopolitical reality of U.S. actions. You’re not being blamed for an atrocity; you’re being reminded that the government you live under enacts policies that shape global conflicts.
3. “The empathy and aid you get from us is completely contingent on us trying to and being ABLE to do something outside of the scope of our lives.”
Wrong. The U.S. isn’t some neutral actor debating whether or not to help—it is actively funding, arming, and enabling military campaigns that result in war crimes. The “aid” being discussed here isn’t humanitarian—it’s the billions in military support that keep occupations and wars going.
4. “Is it not a popular sentiment that America should stay out of foreign affairs?”
And yet, America does not stay out of foreign affairs. It selectively intervenes when it serves economic, military, or geopolitical interests. You can’t claim the U.S. should stay out while ignoring that it’s already deeply involved. The sentiment that “America should stay out of foreign affairs” is meaningless when America is actively providing military funding, shaping policy, and wielding economic leverage worldwide.
5. “Are we just not doing ‘enough’?”
“Enough” implies some baseline level of acceptable complicity. The issue isn’t about whether Americans are doing enough—it’s that the U.S. government, regardless of domestic opinion, directly enables war and occupation through financial, diplomatic, and military support. Whether or not the average American agrees with it doesn’t change that reality.
6. “The VAST majority of Americans did not want this and do not want this.”
And yet, it’s happening. So what does that tell you? Either democracy is a farce where public will is ignored, or the “vast majority” doesn’t care enough to do anything beyond expressing disapproval in safe, non-consequential ways. Either way, your argument implodes on itself: if the U.S. government is fundamentally unaccountable to its people, then your “we vote and try to make change” argument falls apart completely.
7. “So because a tiny percentage of our leaders who are ruled by money are responsible— we all COLLECTIVELY deserve the punishment?”
Ah, the classic not my fault defense. Here’s the issue: regardless of whether you personally support U.S. foreign policy, it operates with your tax dollars, your elected officials, and your country’s economic and military power. This isn’t about personal guilt—it’s about structural complicity. You’re not personally orchestrating foreign policy, but you benefit from and are insulated by a system that does.
8. “Fuck all that, I won’t repent for sins I did not commit.”
No one asked you to. The conversation isn’t about moral absolution—it’s about acknowledging reality. Your refusal to “repent” is meaningless because this isn’t about your feelings. You don’t get to absolve yourself by pretending the issue is about individual guilt when it’s about global power structures.
9. “Why are you bringing up Jill Stein?”
Because Jill Stein is an example of how even “progressive” figures in American politics are either compromised or completely ineffectual. Your condescending dismissal—“how many unpure liberals already know”—only proves the point. You admit she was a Russian plant meant to siphon votes, yet still expect people to trust the broader U.S. electoral system? If even the supposed left-wing alternatives are compromised, why would anyone believe voting changes anything meaningful?
10. “If you are voting or choosing not to based on moral superiority, you have a room-temperature IQ.”
Ah yes, the classic “pragmatism” argument that ignores reality. The U.S. political system is structured to make sure that voting has minimal impact on foreign policy, and yet, you still want to shame people into playing a rigged game. Your whole argument is that the system is controlled by elites, but somehow voting within that system is still the key to change? Pick a side.
11. “You are siding in the destruction of not even just America, because this country will not go under without dragging people with us.”
This is an outright admission that the U.S. operates as a global bully—one that, if it collapses, will make sure to take everyone else down with it. And yet, you’re trying to argue that Americans shouldn’t be held accountable for the actions of their government? You’re literally saying, yes, America is destructive, yes, it will harm others, and no, we don’t care because we’re going to keep living our lives as usual. You can’t have it both ways: either the U.S. is an empire that people are right to resist, or it’s an innocent, misguided democracy.
12. “The problem is the sheep are so busy criticizing the shepherd that they willingly side with the wolves. Facts do not matter. Rhetoric matters.”
So you acknowledge that the entire system is built on manipulation and rhetoric, yet you’re mad that people are calling out the shepherd? If “facts don’t matter,” then why are you even engaging in debate? This is the weakest, most self-defeating line in your whole argument. You’re essentially saying, stop focusing on who’s in control and just accept how things are because that’s how the game works. That’s not pragmatism—that’s submission.
13. “In America, there are many of us who actively try and fight this. Many of us who actively want to make change besides posturing online, actively aid our communities, actively vote for social progressiveness and it’s not an easy path.”
If all of this effort is so noble and effective, then why has U.S. foreign policy remained fundamentally unchanged for decades? Why does every administration—Republican or Democrat—continue to support the same wars, the same occupations, and the same economic policies? If your “activism” doesn’t change the outcomes, then either it’s not working, or it’s designed to keep you busy while real power remains untouched.
14. “All these f***ing purity tests, it gets you nothing but what it does is radicalize the people who aren’t plugged in and they misdirect their anger and energy.”
This is just another way of saying don’t challenge the system too hard or you’ll scare the moderates. The reality is that moderation has achieved nothing. The “radicalization” you’re afraid of is the direct result of a system that refuses to respond to anything else. When every “pragmatic” approach has failed, people are justified in looking for something different.
Your entire argument is a self-contradictory mess of excuses. You claim:
1. The U.S. should stay out of foreign affairs (but ignore that it’s already deeply involved).
2. Most Americans don’t want this (but also admit that voting doesn’t change it).
3. People shouldn’t blame average Americans (but acknowledge that the U.S. is an empire that forces its will globally).
4. Activism and voting matter (but also admit that the system is controlled by elites and rhetoric is what truly drives policy).Every single point undermines the last. At its core, your argument is just an elaborate justification for complacency—an excuse to sleep soundly while the government you claim to oppose continues its war crimes and/or support of them through Israel. If you truly believed in change, you’d welcome the challenge to the system instead of crying about people “bitching and moaning” about injustices you yourself admit exist.
- Feb 5·1 replyFka Groovy
Russia is a failed state
and youre about to join em
Feb 5WRUand youre about to join em
Lmao
- Feb 5·1 reply
i dont really get the argument over this topic. One of the core values of your party are in opposition to a red line of a voter-block. They dont vote for your party. What is there to argue about?
Feb 5·1 replyFka GroovyWE DON'T F***ING HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU WHAT DON'T YOU GET? You guys are mistaken I'm not ASKING you for forgiveness for things I didn't do. I don't owe you s***.
I don't need/want forgiveness because I didn't do anything and I know where my heart stands. I'm TELLING you it's useless because Americans cannot feel sorry. You're having a tantrum at the wrong people
You're not my responsibility, I'm not Arab, I'm not Palestinian, the empathy and aid you get from us is completely contingent on us trying to and being ABLE to do something outside of the scope of our lives. Is it not a popular sentiment that America should stay out of foreign affairs? Are we just not doing "enough?"
I will reiterate, the VAST majority of Americans did not want this and do not want this and your answer to shame, shame, shame and blame for them not doing enough? So because a tiny percentage of our leaders who are ruled by money are responsible- we all COLLECTIVELY deserve the punishment?
F*** all that I won't repent for sins I did not commit. You can b****, you can moan, you can blame and I will sleep the same I will wake up and I will go to work. That's the unfortunate truth of the world it doesn't stop.
Why are you bringing up Jill Stein, it just shows your ignorance
How many "unpure" liberals already know she's a f***ing puppet and plant designed to appeal to the self righteous and siphon idiots who btw don't even make up 3% of the total voting population. Simply put if you are voting or choosing not to based on moral superiority, you have a room temperature IQ. You are siding in the destruction of not even just America, because this country will not go under without dragging people with us.
The problem is the sheep are so busy criticizing the Shepherd that they willingly side with the wolves. Facts do not matter. Rhetoric matters. If you can't effectively communicate to a captured audience they're frogs in a boiling bath, they will just continue to boil- you aren't meeting them where they're at.
In America, there are many of us who actively try and fight this. Many of us who actively want to make change besides posturing online, actively aid our communities, actively vote for social progressiveness and it's not an easy path.
All these f***ing purity tests, it gets you nothing but what it does to is radicalize the people who aren't plugged in and they misdirect their anger and energy. Because they want to hate the system that oppresses them and then there is you guys waving a huge "HATE ME" sign, the wolves use it to their advantage, and that's where they flock. They never wake up.
ban this crybaby "I dont owe palestinians anything" loser
- Feb 5·editedPlight2
i dont really get the argument over this topic. One of the core values of your party are in opposition to a red line of a voter-block. They dont vote for your party. What is there to argue about?
It’s no argument that they have. It’s just projection because they have a fragile conscious and they know it’s wrong, but they project anger onto others because they know what they are perpetuating deep down
Is the reason why even someone like me saying I’m Palestinian or my Fiancé was raised in Gaza makes American so uncomfortable
They’re forced to be confronted with the lie and it’s implications
- Feb 5Snowboy
ban this crybaby "I dont owe palestinians anything" loser
The existence of that idiot is useful. It proves the point.
goretex 💁🏽♂️Feb 5·2 repliesf***ing idiots
- Feb 5·1 replygoretex
f***ing idiots
400k dead palestinians for you to be smug about go head bb
- Feb 5·1 replyFka Groovy
WE DON'T F***ING HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU WHAT DON'T YOU GET? You guys are mistaken I'm not ASKING you for forgiveness for things I didn't do. I don't owe you s***.
I don't need/want forgiveness because I didn't do anything and I know where my heart stands. I'm TELLING you it's useless because Americans cannot feel sorry. You're having a tantrum at the wrong people
You're not my responsibility, I'm not Arab, I'm not Palestinian, the empathy and aid you get from us is completely contingent on us trying to and being ABLE to do something outside of the scope of our lives. Is it not a popular sentiment that America should stay out of foreign affairs? Are we just not doing "enough?"
I will reiterate, the VAST majority of Americans did not want this and do not want this and your answer to shame, shame, shame and blame for them not doing enough? So because a tiny percentage of our leaders who are ruled by money are responsible- we all COLLECTIVELY deserve the punishment?
F*** all that I won't repent for sins I did not commit. You can b****, you can moan, you can blame and I will sleep the same I will wake up and I will go to work. That's the unfortunate truth of the world it doesn't stop.
Why are you bringing up Jill Stein, it just shows your ignorance
How many "unpure" liberals already know she's a f***ing puppet and plant designed to appeal to the self righteous and siphon idiots who btw don't even make up 3% of the total voting population. Simply put if you are voting or choosing not to based on moral superiority, you have a room temperature IQ. You are siding in the destruction of not even just America, because this country will not go under without dragging people with us.
The problem is the sheep are so busy criticizing the Shepherd that they willingly side with the wolves. Facts do not matter. Rhetoric matters. If you can't effectively communicate to a captured audience they're frogs in a boiling bath, they will just continue to boil- you aren't meeting them where they're at.
In America, there are many of us who actively try and fight this. Many of us who actively want to make change besides posturing online, actively aid our communities, actively vote for social progressiveness and it's not an easy path.
All these f***ing purity tests, it gets you nothing but what it does to is radicalize the people who aren't plugged in and they misdirect their anger and energy. Because they want to hate the system that oppresses them and then there is you guys waving a huge "HATE ME" sign, the wolves use it to their advantage, and that's where they flock. They never wake up.
"muh heart in the right place but also f*** you brown skinned demons Iont owe you s***!"
step on a rusty nail, contract tetanus
- Feb 5·1 replyBird Boy· edited
What an incoherent mix of deflection, misplaced self-importance, and blatant contradictions.
1. “WE DON’T F***ING HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU WHAT DON’T YOU GET?”
No one is asking you, personally, to “do something.” The conversation isn’t about personal guilt—it’s about structural power, global influence, and the reality that U.S. policy impacts the world in ways that make “staying out of it” impossible. The idea that America can opt out of the consequences of its own actions is naive at best, and willfully ignorant at worst.
2. “You guys are mistaken I’m not ASKING you for forgiveness for things I didn’t do. I don’t owe you s***.”
No one is asking for your personal repentance. No one cares about your fragile conscience. This isn’t about you as an individual—it’s about the geopolitical reality of U.S. actions. You’re not being blamed for an atrocity; you’re being reminded that the government you live under enacts policies that shape global conflicts.
3. “The empathy and aid you get from us is completely contingent on us trying to and being ABLE to do something outside of the scope of our lives.”
Wrong. The U.S. isn’t some neutral actor debating whether or not to help—it is actively funding, arming, and enabling military campaigns that result in war crimes. The “aid” being discussed here isn’t humanitarian—it’s the billions in military support that keep occupations and wars going.
4. “Is it not a popular sentiment that America should stay out of foreign affairs?”
And yet, America does not stay out of foreign affairs. It selectively intervenes when it serves economic, military, or geopolitical interests. You can’t claim the U.S. should stay out while ignoring that it’s already deeply involved. The sentiment that “America should stay out of foreign affairs” is meaningless when America is actively providing military funding, shaping policy, and wielding economic leverage worldwide.
5. “Are we just not doing ‘enough’?”
“Enough” implies some baseline level of acceptable complicity. The issue isn’t about whether Americans are doing enough—it’s that the U.S. government, regardless of domestic opinion, directly enables war and occupation through financial, diplomatic, and military support. Whether or not the average American agrees with it doesn’t change that reality.
6. “The VAST majority of Americans did not want this and do not want this.”
And yet, it’s happening. So what does that tell you? Either democracy is a farce where public will is ignored, or the “vast majority” doesn’t care enough to do anything beyond expressing disapproval in safe, non-consequential ways. Either way, your argument implodes on itself: if the U.S. government is fundamentally unaccountable to its people, then your “we vote and try to make change” argument falls apart completely.
7. “So because a tiny percentage of our leaders who are ruled by money are responsible— we all COLLECTIVELY deserve the punishment?”
Ah, the classic not my fault defense. Here’s the issue: regardless of whether you personally support U.S. foreign policy, it operates with your tax dollars, your elected officials, and your country’s economic and military power. This isn’t about personal guilt—it’s about structural complicity. You’re not personally orchestrating foreign policy, but you benefit from and are insulated by a system that does.
8. “Fuck all that, I won’t repent for sins I did not commit.”
No one asked you to. The conversation isn’t about moral absolution—it’s about acknowledging reality. Your refusal to “repent” is meaningless because this isn’t about your feelings. You don’t get to absolve yourself by pretending the issue is about individual guilt when it’s about global power structures.
9. “Why are you bringing up Jill Stein?”
Because Jill Stein is an example of how even “progressive” figures in American politics are either compromised or completely ineffectual. Your condescending dismissal—“how many unpure liberals already know”—only proves the point. You admit she was a Russian plant meant to siphon votes, yet still expect people to trust the broader U.S. electoral system? If even the supposed left-wing alternatives are compromised, why would anyone believe voting changes anything meaningful?
10. “If you are voting or choosing not to based on moral superiority, you have a room-temperature IQ.”
Ah yes, the classic “pragmatism” argument that ignores reality. The U.S. political system is structured to make sure that voting has minimal impact on foreign policy, and yet, you still want to shame people into playing a rigged game. Your whole argument is that the system is controlled by elites, but somehow voting within that system is still the key to change? Pick a side.
11. “You are siding in the destruction of not even just America, because this country will not go under without dragging people with us.”
This is an outright admission that the U.S. operates as a global bully—one that, if it collapses, will make sure to take everyone else down with it. And yet, you’re trying to argue that Americans shouldn’t be held accountable for the actions of their government? You’re literally saying, yes, America is destructive, yes, it will harm others, and no, we don’t care because we’re going to keep living our lives as usual. You can’t have it both ways: either the U.S. is an empire that people are right to resist, or it’s an innocent, misguided democracy.
12. “The problem is the sheep are so busy criticizing the shepherd that they willingly side with the wolves. Facts do not matter. Rhetoric matters.”
So you acknowledge that the entire system is built on manipulation and rhetoric, yet you’re mad that people are calling out the shepherd? If “facts don’t matter,” then why are you even engaging in debate? This is the weakest, most self-defeating line in your whole argument. You’re essentially saying, stop focusing on who’s in control and just accept how things are because that’s how the game works. That’s not pragmatism—that’s submission.
13. “In America, there are many of us who actively try and fight this. Many of us who actively want to make change besides posturing online, actively aid our communities, actively vote for social progressiveness and it’s not an easy path.”
If all of this effort is so noble and effective, then why has U.S. foreign policy remained fundamentally unchanged for decades? Why does every administration—Republican or Democrat—continue to support the same wars, the same occupations, and the same economic policies? If your “activism” doesn’t change the outcomes, then either it’s not working, or it’s designed to keep you busy while real power remains untouched.
14. “All these f***ing purity tests, it gets you nothing but what it does is radicalize the people who aren’t plugged in and they misdirect their anger and energy.”
This is just another way of saying don’t challenge the system too hard or you’ll scare the moderates. The reality is that moderation has achieved nothing. The “radicalization” you’re afraid of is the direct result of a system that refuses to respond to anything else. When every “pragmatic” approach has failed, people are justified in looking for something different.
Your entire argument is a self-contradictory mess of excuses. You claim:
1. The U.S. should stay out of foreign affairs (but ignore that it’s already deeply involved).
2. Most Americans don’t want this (but also admit that voting doesn’t change it).
3. People shouldn’t blame average Americans (but acknowledge that the U.S. is an empire that forces its will globally).
4. Activism and voting matter (but also admit that the system is controlled by elites and rhetoric is what truly drives policy).Every single point undermines the last. At its core, your argument is just an elaborate justification for complacency—an excuse to sleep soundly while the government you claim to oppose continues its war crimes and/or support of them through Israel. If you truly believed in change, you’d welcome the challenge to the system instead of crying about people “bitching and moaning” about injustices you yourself admit exist.
No one is asking you, personally, to “do something.” The conversation isn’t about personal guilt—it’s about structural power, global influence, and the reality that U.S. policy impacts the world in ways that make “staying out of it” impossible. The idea that America can opt out of the consequences of its own actions is naive at best, and willfully ignorant at worst.
Then you're effectively saying nothing and should instead spend your time shutting the f*** up. What good is it to tell people they deserve something they had no control over, but then tell them it was inevitability? Just masturbatory yapping.
Because this isn't something that happened overnight, nor is it something that is the result of what the American population as a collective wants. They are effectively powerless and attempting to exert and change as much as they can without nuking their entire families. If your empathy stops there you can get f***ed tbh.
Points 1 and 2 are the same. Once again, useless self felating yap.
Wrong. The U.S. isn’t some neutral actor debating whether or not to help—it is actively funding, arming, and enabling military campaigns that result in war crimes. The “aid” being discussed here isn’t humanitarian—it’s the billions in military support that keep occupations and wars going.
3, 5, 6, 7, 8 all the way to 11 are essentially the same point, but once again you are not acknowledging that America the country and the U.S government are not the same entity.
I'm not saying the AID you get from the U.S is empathetic. I'm saying the political allies WITHIN the US that has to try to fight on YOUR BEHALF to influence the actions of the government, whether you want it or not, don't actually have to do anything for you.
And anything outside of what they actually need to do for survival in their OWN COUNTRY is an active effort from them to you for basically no benefit. If the US wanted the West Bank would have been glassed over in a week. It's tragic and it sucks.
The average American constituent is not a war monger. We don't wars. The ruling class wants wars, because wars mean sales and real estate and money talks. We have to topple the existing power structures at home first- it's been done before. America is a resilient country we will survive.
The problem is you guys are hoping and praying this will kill America and ONLY America. I got bad news for you, not only will America not die, but they will implode other countries on their skid.
You want people to feel the guilt and carry the burdens of the injustices done to the world by administrations that existed before they were even born. I'm telling you it's a useless point of strife. It's utterly useless.
"Well Americans don't want this, and yet it still happens? Interesting 😏" yea okay? That's how governments work. There are countless nations that don't want what is happening to happen. You think they can stop what's in motion in a day? With enough crying and blaming, surely that will change the course right?
You think when I say "I" I mean "me". No, the average American citizen feels exactly like this and you are mad I get it but it gets you no where. It gets you hate.
And you still are pushing this Jill Stein narrative because you're ignorant as s***. She exists not because the US population is flawed.
She is one of the only independent or third party runners in a system that's pretty much just two parties. She's a problem because she exists purely because of how money and influence can affect our political system but not some failing of the moral compass of the average American.
She MANIPULATES the otherwise benevolent voter, because America is for sale and that's a flaw in itself.
My point in facts and rhetoric directly ties to this, because even though to anyone who isn't a f***ing blowhard knows she's a waste of a vote at best and a f***ing Russian pawn at worst- she's proof that Americans are not just these morally bankrupt, willing participants as you try your hardest (and s***tiest) to paint them as.
It's not a call to get people to be complacent. The exact opposite actually.
- goretex 💁🏽♂️Feb 5·1 replySnowboy
400k dead palestinians for you to be smug about go head bb
i mean idk brah i dont be in this section a lot but i found so many liberals being like we cant vote for kamala because palestine and look man i get it i have donated at least a rack to the cause i advocate for them as much as possible and i am aligned with them fully. but like bro donald trump is literally the devil like i feel like we once again divide democrats and made them argue over something that imo distracted us from the true horrors that are about to occur in our home. i just dont see a world where donald trump's presidency is better for the world then kamalas
like them conservative niggas finessed us yet again and the fact everyone is doubling down on it is insane like bro what