Oct 9, 2020This is not 1965
Oct 9, 2020·1 reply
deadaccyea im using him as 1 example because it makes the issue more concrete.
the fact that there's so many many more people living in excess wealth while the country at large suffers as a result of their actions shows there's clearly something wrong happening.
honestly its cool that jeff bezos built amazon to be such an efficient and useful vendor for large scale shipping and everything amazon is. i dont conflate it w believing that he "deserves" the insane amount of surplus wealth he's accumulated.
again amazon would be nothing without the workers who do the work needed for the company to make a profit.
honest question: why do you feel the need to defend the ultra rich ? i don't believe they're doing anything for you but making life harder for you and everyone you love but i don't know anything about you and i want to know why u feel me
1. It doesn’t make the issue more concrete because Jeff Bezos is an outlier.
2. You’re right that Amazon would be nothing without the workers, but that goes for every job and it’s not a valid reason as to why there’s a gap. The job is more difficult and less people are CEOs, it’s in a way a supply and demand thing.
3. I don’t feel the need to defend the ultra rich necessarily, but moreso defend capitalism. I’m an entrepreneur and CEO myself.- Oct 9, 2020·1 replyCLBparadise
1. It doesn’t make the issue more concrete because Jeff Bezos is an outlier.
2. You’re right that Amazon would be nothing without the workers, but that goes for every job and it’s not a valid reason as to why there’s a gap. The job is more difficult and less people are CEOs, it’s in a way a supply and demand thing.
3. I don’t feel the need to defend the ultra rich necessarily, but moreso defend capitalism. I’m an entrepreneur and CEO myself.1. my point is yea that he's an outlier among outliers among outliers but there's an easy point to be made that everyone can agree w. just by owning the company you don't deserve that much more for work you don't do. i 100% think he deserves compensation for his work. i just don't believe that him and many many others deserve the compensation they receive relative to the value of their work.
2. Yea again i agree that different jobs that create more surplus labor should be compensated for their work. I don't think that the job jeff bezos has is an inhuman impossible job that nobody who works under him would ever be able to hope to manage. he's human. amazon's workers are human too and the disparity in the quality of life between the wealthy who make money off the labor of others and the people who make the money in the wealthiest country in recorded history is something that causes an incredible amount of suffering and i dont think things have to be this way.
3. i get it your material interests are different from mine. i just hope you can see that not everyone has the capital or will to be a ceo but they are human and dont deserve to live in unjust suffering and exploitation.
Oct 9, 2020·2 repliesdeadacchow can u be this brainwashed man
i dont really wanna drag this much cause ppl here are obv talking strictly experientially but heres an interesting fact
rate of depression among low-income americans: 14%
rate of depression among founders/CEOs: 50%but depression is just an imaginary problem in ur head and u have the money to hire the best psychiatrist or take a vacation to the bahamas or get on SSRIs atleast u dont have to deal with starving and working 18 hours :oblivious:
cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db07.htm
transformativeconversations.com/blog/executive-mental-health/2018/5/6
- Oct 9, 2020·1 replyMike22
i dont really wanna drag this much cause ppl here are obv talking strictly experientially but heres an interesting fact
rate of depression among low-income americans: 14%
rate of depression among founders/CEOs: 50%but depression is just an imaginary problem in ur head and u have the money to hire the best psychiatrist or take a vacation to the bahamas or get on SSRIs atleast u dont have to deal with starving and working 18 hours :oblivious:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db07.htm
https://www.transformativeconversations.com/blog/executive-mental-health/2018/5/6
from ur first link
cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db07.htm
"Rates of depression were higher among poor persons than among those with higher incomes."
?
- Oct 9, 2020·1 replydeadacc
from ur first link
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db07.htm
"Rates of depression were higher among poor persons than among those with higher incomes."
?
bro ur not srs with ur reply right
no s*** ppl more well-off are less susceptible to depression. IF U CONTROL FOR THE OCCUPATIONAL VARIABLE WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAAD
are we discussing an econoimc differential or occupation-based. u know "higher income" includes the entitery of the upper income population right?!?!?
the fact that a small segment of the "higher income" population has almost 4x higher depressive disorder suscpetiblity than an entire population says alot about occupaiton as a deterministic factor. if ur familiar the disperssion of data across a guassian distribution you'd understand why 4x is huge given the sample size in each of the demographics
but lets just knitpick for likes and ktt clout
Oct 9, 2020Dat nigga AceNothing stopping you from working for yourself if you really wanted
I'm a teacher, so while I have a principal as an authority figure, my job is really more about working with people than it is working for someone else.
I've done retail where my sales were being tracked and used as a metric of my value to the company. S*** is absolutely horrible. Can't imagine working a dehumanizing job like that again.
- Oct 9, 2020·2 repliesMike22
bro ur not srs with ur reply right
no s*** ppl more well-off are less susceptible to depression. IF U CONTROL FOR THE OCCUPATIONAL VARIABLE WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAAD
are we discussing an econoimc differential or occupation-based. u know "higher income" includes the entitery of the upper income population right?!?!?
the fact that a small segment of the "higher income" population has almost 4x higher depressive disorder suscpetiblity than an entire population says alot about occupaiton as a deterministic factor. if ur familiar the disperssion of data across a guassian distribution you'd understand why 4x is huge given the sample size in each of the demographics
but lets just knitpick for likes and ktt clout
"“Science shows that the pressures of leading at the top exhibit themselves in recurring pathologies in CEOs—narcissism, over-optimism, fear, anxiety, anger, obsessive compulsive disorder and depression.” Barnard points out that some studies have shown that in fact CEOs may be depressed at more than double the rate of the general public.''
"Although there are no studies yet specifically focused on the prevalence of executives with mental illness and co-occurring addiction, clinicians believe that executives as a group may be particularly prone to psychological distress and self-medication for both lifestyle and personality reasons."
There is no consensus on whether ur 50% figure is accurate.
"Mental health disorders and addiction often go hand-in-hand, but their prevalence amongst executives may be particularly high due to the unique path co-occurrence takes for this population. Unfortunately, executives may also be especially likely to avoid treatment by hiding behind their success, keeping them from getting the help they need. The medical establishment recognizes that substance abuse often arises as a form of self-medication. The problem is that in the long run it only makes mental health issues worst."
Seems like an occupational hazard that has more to do with CEO's avoiding treatment and hiding behind their success while their mental problems compile and get worse.
from ur second link
- Oct 9, 2020deadacc
"“Science shows that the pressures of leading at the top exhibit themselves in recurring pathologies in CEOs—narcissism, over-optimism, fear, anxiety, anger, obsessive compulsive disorder and depression.” Barnard points out that some studies have shown that in fact CEOs may be depressed at more than double the rate of the general public.''
"Although there are no studies yet specifically focused on the prevalence of executives with mental illness and co-occurring addiction, clinicians believe that executives as a group may be particularly prone to psychological distress and self-medication for both lifestyle and personality reasons."
There is no consensus on whether ur 50% figure is accurate.
"Mental health disorders and addiction often go hand-in-hand, but their prevalence amongst executives may be particularly high due to the unique path co-occurrence takes for this population. Unfortunately, executives may also be especially likely to avoid treatment by hiding behind their success, keeping them from getting the help they need. The medical establishment recognizes that substance abuse often arises as a form of self-medication. The problem is that in the long run it only makes mental health issues worst."
Seems like an occupational hazard that has more to do with CEO's avoiding treatment and hiding behind their success while their mental problems compile and get worse.
from ur second link
i only cited that source cause its the first one i came acorss. im a researcher and am familiar with the statitics and its prevalnet across literature
here it is cited again
chiefexecutive.net/when-ceo-depression-and-anxiety-trickle-down-into-a-companyhere is a empirical study with an "ok" sample size but restricting it to founders not CEOs. rate was 79%
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11187-018-0059-8
bonus fact:
the occupation with the highest sucide rate assoaicted with metnal illeness in the US is construction at 53 per 100,000. u know what is the rate of depression in consturciton? 16%cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6745a1.htm
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3795897
here u go. a mini comparative anlaysis on occupational mental illness u can use for ur masters program
- Oct 9, 2020deadacc
1. my point is yea that he's an outlier among outliers among outliers but there's an easy point to be made that everyone can agree w. just by owning the company you don't deserve that much more for work you don't do. i 100% think he deserves compensation for his work. i just don't believe that him and many many others deserve the compensation they receive relative to the value of their work.
2. Yea again i agree that different jobs that create more surplus labor should be compensated for their work. I don't think that the job jeff bezos has is an inhuman impossible job that nobody who works under him would ever be able to hope to manage. he's human. amazon's workers are human too and the disparity in the quality of life between the wealthy who make money off the labor of others and the people who make the money in the wealthiest country in recorded history is something that causes an incredible amount of suffering and i dont think things have to be this way.
3. i get it your material interests are different from mine. i just hope you can see that not everyone has the capital or will to be a ceo but they are human and dont deserve to live in unjust suffering and exploitation.
To each their own I don’t think either of us will change our stance. I see what you’re saying, but it doesn’t make sense to me - someone who doesn’t incur risk benefiting as much or nearly as much as someone who did.
If you haven’t seen this video, I recommend watching it. I don’t agree with Shapiro on much, but this I do. Seems like you’re against capitalism.
- Oct 9, 2020deadacc
"“Science shows that the pressures of leading at the top exhibit themselves in recurring pathologies in CEOs—narcissism, over-optimism, fear, anxiety, anger, obsessive compulsive disorder and depression.” Barnard points out that some studies have shown that in fact CEOs may be depressed at more than double the rate of the general public.''
"Although there are no studies yet specifically focused on the prevalence of executives with mental illness and co-occurring addiction, clinicians believe that executives as a group may be particularly prone to psychological distress and self-medication for both lifestyle and personality reasons."
There is no consensus on whether ur 50% figure is accurate.
"Mental health disorders and addiction often go hand-in-hand, but their prevalence amongst executives may be particularly high due to the unique path co-occurrence takes for this population. Unfortunately, executives may also be especially likely to avoid treatment by hiding behind their success, keeping them from getting the help they need. The medical establishment recognizes that substance abuse often arises as a form of self-medication. The problem is that in the long run it only makes mental health issues worst."
Seems like an occupational hazard that has more to do with CEO's avoiding treatment and hiding behind their success while their mental problems compile and get worse.
from ur second link
and the reason for their depression is purely anecdotal. u cant say they are 'hiding from their problems". if i had the time i would pull out the studies on why CEO have greater mental adn emotional resillience than the avg person. so assumptin an avg person wouldnt act just as b****y in the same situation is purely falicious.
point is, the majoirty of the ppl complaining about the wage gap wouldnt even want that type of income if they had to put up wiht that type of stress. hell even CEO themselves cop out after 4 years on average
Nessy 🦎Oct 9, 2020Make stock buybacks illegal again
Oct 9, 2020·2 repliesDat nigga AceBe a CEO instead of a worker then
Literally everyone in the world cant be a ceo
- Oct 9, 2020GoodbyeCarl
Literally everyone in the world cant be a ceo
Hypothetically yes (a business owner), realistically no
plants 🌻Oct 9, 2020
nocommentinformation overload lmao
Indeed shows just how many facets there are to it
- Oct 9, 2020
Lol
- Oct 9, 2020GoodbyeCarl
Literally everyone in the world cant be a ceo
And not everyone in the world is complaining about the CEOs. Im just saying you dont have to work for somebody if you really dont want to
Oct 9, 2020·1 replyI'm convinced people who say being a CEO is way more difficult than being a worker have never worked in a factory where max profits at all costs outweighs any concern for the workers. I literally hated life when I worked in a factory 12 hours a day with multiple machines kicking my ass because rich f***s at the top wanted to run all their machines 24/7 to max out profits.
Oct 9, 2020Mike22Ya & the responsibilities of a CEO usually are 500x more stressful than those of ur average employee. I mean atleast if they doing it right
Imagine navigating thru 50 lawsuits, being on call 24/7 & having to oversee an entire organization
No thx Jeff keep ur bread
Oct 9, 2020·1 replyTIIMMY BURNERI'm convinced people who say being a CEO is way more difficult than being a worker have never worked in a factory where max profits at all costs outweighs any concern for the workers. I literally hated life when I worked in a factory 12 hours a day with multiple machines kicking my ass because rich f***s at the top wanted to run all their machines 24/7 to max out profits.
they never consider the stress of being f***ing poor
- Oct 9, 2020aaaaaaaaaa
they never consider the stress of being f***ing poor
Exactly. F*** a job stress, nigga seeing red digits in my account and having to wait two weeks just to see a check that all goes to bills is stress.
- plants 🌻Oct 9, 2020
- Oct 9, 2020
As a ceo you should never go public if you want your employees to have rights.
Oct 9, 2020·1 replyMike22i dont really wanna drag this much cause ppl here are obv talking strictly experientially but heres an interesting fact
rate of depression among low-income americans: 14%
rate of depression among founders/CEOs: 50%but depression is just an imaginary problem in ur head and u have the money to hire the best psychiatrist or take a vacation to the bahamas or get on SSRIs atleast u dont have to deal with starving and working 18 hours :oblivious:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db07.htm
https://www.transformativeconversations.com/blog/executive-mental-health/2018/5/6
i'd chalk this up to the nature of most executive positions
i do have some gripes with the site(s) posted, especially the epi one because it's only measuring salaries on the top 350 firms in the U.S. so obviously it's not representative for the average CEO. but as for the rate of depression, most executive jobs are actually pretty heavily taxing and have you working 100+ hour weeks taking the work back home with you.
in my field, the highest you can reach is a CISO/CIO (which is jokingly referred to as career is so over). average tenure is only 2 years(!!), because there is no job security in these roles. these positions are ticking time bombs because when a breach happens (and it will) you will be the first to get sacked in an effort to maintain company image. i probably never would even think about taking one of those roles.
but on the other hand you get paid well over six figures for the short amount of time you work there and probably drive a (presumably) paid-off euro sports car, so it seems a fair trade off tbh
Oct 10, 2020NoirJust gotta gut gud brah
Gotta grind brah
No pressure, no diamonds
Get up at 4 AM and check your stocks
Align your chakras with a kombucha bath
Stop jacking off
Stop being a communist
Then you can make 320 times more than someone who works 320 times harder than you
yoooo
