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  • FREE 💜
    Jan 11, 2023

    The idea someone was fired for sacrilege is insane

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    Question for the KTT2 Muslim residents. Why is it Haram to depict the Prophet but it is okay to depict his grandson Hussein looking fruity with eye liner and rosey blushed cheeks?

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    Jan 11, 2023
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    FranquitoReynolds

    Question for the KTT2 Muslim residents. Why is it Haram to depict the Prophet but it is okay to depict his grandson Hussein looking fruity with eye liner and rosey blushed cheeks?

    this a gigachad riff right? right???

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    plants

    this a gigachad riff right? right???

    Nah man it aint a joke this poster is up on the walls in Iran everywhere during Ashura lmao.

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    FREE

    Yeah like I don't see how in anyway unless you're a Muslim you can believe this was the right call.

    Respecting religion doesn't mean censoring your own thoughts and discussions especially when removed from religious people.

    I was born and raised Muslim but anyone with an academic background can realize that there's a major difference between a class on the academic historicity of religion and the academic theology. This goes for all religions.

    It's the equivalent of Christians turning up to a "History of Jesus and How He May Have Lived" and raging that the class is bullshit and anti-religious, or a class looking at the evolution of Judaism from polytheistic Semitic religions and Jewish folks asking for the teacher to be fired. The class is not for you. It's not trying to offend you. It's taking an academic perspective on a historical basis. This is actual Islamic art history-- it's not a Charlie Hebdo comic panel. It's Islamic art made by actual Muslims.

    We can simultaneously understand that there is a strong bias against Islam in the Judeo-Christian West and its institutions, but I think this is ridiculous and goes too far.

    Just my opinion though.

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    FranquitoReynolds

    Nah man it aint a joke this poster is up on the walls in Iran everywhere during Ashura lmao.

    amazing

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    Smoofer

    It’s not a perfect a***ogy but imagine a white artist depicting lynching. The situation with the teacher is more like showing a historical depiction by a black artist, but some random white guy drawing that would certainly be frowned upon

    It’s not even a GOOD a***ogy let alone a perfect one

  • plants

    amazing

    Here is one of the Imam holding hand with Qasem Soleimani ❤️

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    eye contact

    It’s not even a GOOD a***ogy let alone a perfect one

    I do think showing an image by a Muslim artist would be different from showing an ‘orientalist’ depiction by a western artist, like it could be considered more disrespectful depending on the artist’s relationship to the material.

    But it’s true lynching is a different sort of seriousness compared to this. The above is how I tried to understand their comparison

  • Jan 11, 2023
    deleteduser579

    …because in their religion it’s considered sacrilege to depict Muhammad, it’s literally just a matter of respecting beliefs my guy

    it’s misplaced in this instance because the teacher gave a disclaimer for viewing it, but saying that religious people are “””forcing””” their views on “””rational people””” is literally just fedora Reddit atheism

  • Jan 11, 2023
    deleteduser579

    my distaste for enlightened agnostics and fedora atheists grows more and more each post i read from these morons

    why they feel the need to speak on religions and spirituality in general with no background nor knowledge will forever confound me

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    Smoofer

    Who said anything about legality?

    this man is so caught up in his religious hating ass r/atheists arc because of his parents lmao

  • Jan 11, 2023
    deleteduser579

    yep, because Muslim = religious extremism

    wanting religious beliefs to be respected = religious extremism

    that’s why just skimming your religion’s central text and half assing church visits doesn’t count as a “””background””” to me, because niggas like you dump their religion and go full on enlightened atheist

    this

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    Is

    That bad?

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    Bro0o0ses

    Is

    That bad?

    considering there was enough warning given and if you aren't Muslim you aren't beholden to their rules/norms/expectations I'd say you really have to stretch to justify this

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    blonded

    considering there was enough warning given and if you aren't Muslim you aren't beholden to their rules/norms/expectations I'd say you really have to stretch to justify this

    Wait I mean like is showing the painting bad

    I'm like super confused

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    Bro0o0ses

    Wait I mean like is showing the painting bad

    I'm like super confused

    It’s disallowed to depict the face of holy figures in Islam

    It’s really disallowed to show anyone’s face in depictions but that’s kinda ridiculous and people ignore it

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    eye contact

    It’s disallowed to depict the face of holy figures in Islam

    It’s really disallowed to show anyone’s face in depictions but that’s kinda ridiculous and people ignore it

    I don't wanna speak like offensively

    But as a person who only grew up around Christian people pretty much thsts wild to me

    They throw Jesus' face on everything t shirts candles books paintings pretty sure there has even been some video games

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    Bro0o0ses

    I don't wanna speak like offensively

    But as a person who only grew up around Christian people pretty much thsts wild to me

    They throw Jesus' face on everything t shirts candles books paintings pretty sure there has even been some video games

    Well that’s exactly why peoples don’t do it

    Softens the immaterial level of holiness that they emplace

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    eye contact

    Well that’s exactly why peoples don’t do it

    Softens the immaterial level of holiness that they emplace

    And its just the face? Like they can be painted but only with their back turned?

    Or like are there just no paintings or any illustration of them allowed

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    Bro0o0ses

    And its just the face? Like they can be painted but only with their back turned?

    Or like are there just no paintings or any illustration of them allowed

    There are tons of illustrations with his body but no face

    But never iconography. It’s usually depictions of events and significant parts of scripture

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    eye contact

    There are tons of illustrations with his body but no face

    But never iconography. It’s usually depictions of events and significant parts of scripture

    Interesting

    I never knew anything like that. I just assumed it was fine and there was tons of art of them (like portraits) I haven't seen

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    eye contact

    There are tons of illustrations with his body but no face

    But never iconography. It’s usually depictions of events and significant parts of scripture

    But this makes me wanna ask like

    If doing that is a big no like unanimously agreed upon by people of the religion to be bad

    Who are the people who even made these paintings the professor showed? like are thete just massive jerk painters wasting their time painting these religious figures just to make people mad?

  • Jan 11, 2023
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    Bro0o0ses

    I don't wanna speak like offensively

    But as a person who only grew up around Christian people pretty much thsts wild to me

    They throw Jesus' face on everything t shirts candles books paintings pretty sure there has even been some video games

    Shias do the same as you described but for Muhammad, Fatima and the Hidden Imam they put a light bulb in for the face. The other 11 Imams faces are okay to draw as long as enough eye liner is applied.

    Sunnis in general arent as into paintings as shias

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    FranquitoReynolds

    Shias do the same as you described but for Muhammad, Fatima and the Hidden Imam they put a light bulb in for the face. The other 11 Imams faces are okay to draw as long as enough eye liner is applied.

    Sunnis in general arent as into paintings as shias

    I don't understand much of what you just said to me

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