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    Bro0o0ses

    But this makes me wanna ask like

    If doing that is a big no like unanimously agreed upon by people of the religion to be bad

    Who are the people who even made these paintings the professor showed? like are thete just massive jerk painters wasting their time painting these religious figures just to make people mad?

    The attitudes towards something as particular as this varied from time to time. Medieval Islamic society was far more liberal and tolerant as it flourished in the Middle East and North Africa. These hardline sentiments are the result of revivalist and fundamentalist movements that arose in the 1700’s in Arabia called Salafism and Wahhabism

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    Bro0o0ses

    I don't understand much of what you just said to me

    Ignore him

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    The attitudes towards something as particular as this varied from time to time. Medieval Islamic society was far more liberal and tolerant as it flourished in the Middle East and North Africa. These hardline sentiments are the result of revivalist and fundamentalist movements that arose in the 1700’s in Arabia called Salafism and Wahhabism

    Oh so it used to be less strict about it

    Thst makes sense now then

  • Jan 11, 2023
    eye contact

    Ignore him

    I literally didn't understand their post at all so

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    I do think showing an image by a Muslim artist would be different from showing an ‘orientalist’ depiction by a western artist, like it could be considered more disrespectful depending on the artist’s relationship to the material.

    But it’s true lynching is a different sort of seriousness compared to this. The above is how I tried to understand their comparison

    All I was trying to say was that it’s reasonable for a group to tell people outside their group to respect them by for ex, not depicting certain things.

    In response to a guy saying “who are Muslims to tell non-Muslims what to depict”

  • Bro0o0ses

    I don't understand much of what you just said to me

    There are 14 infallibles in Islam. Here are the names in order of appearance.

    Muhammad , Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussein, Sajjad, Bagher, Sadegh, Musa, Reza, Naghi, Taghi, Asgari and Mahdi aka the Hidden one.

    You are prohibited from drawing the faces of Muhammad, Fatima and Mahdi. Case closed.

  • Jan 11, 2023
    eye contact

    The attitudes towards something as particular as this varied from time to time. Medieval Islamic society was far more liberal and tolerant as it flourished in the Middle East and North Africa. These hardline sentiments are the result of revivalist and fundamentalist movements that arose in the 1700’s in Arabia called Salafism and Wahhabism

    u got any recs for learning more islamic history?

  • Jan 11, 2023
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    yasiinbey

    I think all art history teachers should be fired. we need more amazon warehouse employees

    Wildest avy on the site bar none

  • Jan 11, 2023
    OnyxShine9

    Wildest avy on the site bar none

    Don’t disrespect my Queen

  • Jan 11, 2023

    Damn I can imagine itll be hard for the professor to get a new job with that on their record

  • RASIE 🎣
    Jan 11, 2023

    Yay more people getting fired for dumb nonsense yayyy

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    The attitudes towards something as particular as this varied from time to time. Medieval Islamic society was far more liberal and tolerant as it flourished in the Middle East and North Africa. These hardline sentiments are the result of revivalist and fundamentalist movements that arose in the 1700’s in Arabia called Salafism and Wahhabism

    Again this is completely false

    It was always considered very taboo throughout all muslim societies to draw this type of stuff.

    Also the medieval era was as religious or even more than now. In fact it’s in the 1700’s that the muslim world started liberalizing due to the decline of the ottomans vis a vis the europeans and it went in turbo mode in the late 1800’s when muslims went through colonization. The turn back towards Orthodox Islam is a product of de-colonisation, it only started around the mid to late 1900’s.

    Also Arabia was a non factor culturally speaking in the muslim world for hundreds of years until the oil boom. The center of Islam back then was Egypt and (especially) Anatolia.

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    Definition of f*** around and find out. Even if her intentions were in the right place, how in 2022 she thought this would be okay is beyond me.

  • Jan 11, 2023
    Himothee

    Definition of f*** around and find out. Even if her intentions were in the right place, how in 2022 she thought this would be okay is beyond me.

    It's not really even about her intentions. No one was materially harmed by her doing this, and she even gave students a warning and the opportunity to leave.

    You're essentially losing your livelihood because the mere idea of you doing something (that didn't directly affect anyone who didn't want to be affected by it) was offensive to others.

  • Jan 11, 2023

    Just because something is a rule or scripture that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be criticized or amended. There’s no real reason that showing a picture of a historical figure should get you fired in 2023. Just makes no sense and it’s ridiculous. It’s okay to say it.

    Islam is one of the most ridiculous religions because they’re one of the few ones that believe their holy book is actually the word of god rather than a book written by humans inspired by god.

    To change Islam is to go against the word of god

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    ALL religion so f***ing stupid dog. imagine thinking muhammad care about if you f***ing paint him or not.

  • Jan 11, 2023

    Bunch of cowards at that school

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    Mesaih

    Religious people dont try to push your beliefs onto rational people challenge

  • Jan 11, 2023
    ASAKI

    I was born and raised Muslim but anyone with an academic background can realize that there's a major difference between a class on the academic historicity of religion and the academic theology. This goes for all religions.

    It's the equivalent of Christians turning up to a "History of Jesus and How He May Have Lived" and raging that the class is bullshit and anti-religious, or a class looking at the evolution of Judaism from polytheistic Semitic religions and Jewish folks asking for the teacher to be fired. The class is not for you. It's not trying to offend you. It's taking an academic perspective on a historical basis. This is actual Islamic art history-- it's not a Charlie Hebdo comic panel. It's Islamic art made by actual Muslims.

    We can simultaneously understand that there is a strong bias against Islam in the Judeo-Christian West and its institutions, but I think this is ridiculous and goes too far.

    Just my opinion though.

    Well said

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    eye contact

    These are the works

    Damn these are real nice especially the second one

  • Jan 11, 2023
    xxxkiraxxx

    this man is so caught up in his religious hating ass r/atheists arc because of his parents lmao

    Youre an idiot

  • Jan 11, 2023

    Calling everyone that dislikes religion a reddit atheist starts losing its meaning after a while

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    hoes mad

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    She gave them a chance to leave and gave warning early in the year through a syllabus.

    She absolutely met them halfway

    That’s not meeting them halfway

    That’s just saying I’m gonna do something objectively offensive to many people

    In the end this is simply normalizing something that matters a LOT a more to Muslims than it does to non Muslims.

    This is a discussion on sexuality, diet, social dynamics between men and women and how Islam and the west constraint and struggle to integrate

    This is a simple case of a western person pushing the boundaries on what is acceptable in the stage on academia and they got a reality check.

    There’s zero incentive for them to draw a religious figure that 1 billion people on the world agree shouldn’t be illustrated.

    And the fact some people in this thread think it’s justifiable that they should get away with it kind of proves that there’s zero sympathy towards Muslims.

    Letting someone get away with something like this is simply saying, we don’t care about Muslims. Keep your mouth shut you live in our society, your beliefs, don’t matter.

  • Jan 11, 2023
    Bro0o0ses

    Oh so it used to be less strict about it

    Thst makes sense now then

    There’s no correlation between the rise of fundamentalism and a clear-cut Quranic verse that bans depictions of the prophet.

    Throughout Islamic history, depictions of Muhammad in Islamic art were rare. Even so, there exists a "notable corpus of images of Muhammad produced, mostly in the form of manuscript illustrations, in various regions of the Islamic world from the thirteenth century through modern times". Depictions of Muhammad date back to the start of the tradition of Persian miniatures as illustrations in books. The illustrated book from the Persianate world (Warka and Gulshah, Topkapi Palace Library H. 841, attributed to Konya 1200–1250) contains the two earliest known Islamic depictions of Muhammad.

    He’s feeding you bullshit and propaganda.

    Following a Quranic verse as simple as avoiding the consumption of pork isn’t wahabism.

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