But this makes me wanna ask like
If doing that is a big no like unanimously agreed upon by people of the religion to be bad
Who are the people who even made these paintings the professor showed? like are thete just massive jerk painters wasting their time painting these religious figures just to make people mad?
The attitudes towards something as particular as this varied from time to time. Medieval Islamic society was far more liberal and tolerant as it flourished in the Middle East and North Africa. These hardline sentiments are the result of revivalist and fundamentalist movements that arose in the 1700’s in Arabia called Salafism and Wahhabism
The attitudes towards something as particular as this varied from time to time. Medieval Islamic society was far more liberal and tolerant as it flourished in the Middle East and North Africa. These hardline sentiments are the result of revivalist and fundamentalist movements that arose in the 1700’s in Arabia called Salafism and Wahhabism
Oh so it used to be less strict about it
Thst makes sense now then
I do think showing an image by a Muslim artist would be different from showing an ‘orientalist’ depiction by a western artist, like it could be considered more disrespectful depending on the artist’s relationship to the material.
But it’s true lynching is a different sort of seriousness compared to this. The above is how I tried to understand their comparison
All I was trying to say was that it’s reasonable for a group to tell people outside their group to respect them by for ex, not depicting certain things.
In response to a guy saying “who are Muslims to tell non-Muslims what to depict”
I don't understand much of what you just said to me
There are 14 infallibles in Islam. Here are the names in order of appearance.
Muhammad , Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussein, Sajjad, Bagher, Sadegh, Musa, Reza, Naghi, Taghi, Asgari and Mahdi aka the Hidden one.
You are prohibited from drawing the faces of Muhammad, Fatima and Mahdi. Case closed.
The attitudes towards something as particular as this varied from time to time. Medieval Islamic society was far more liberal and tolerant as it flourished in the Middle East and North Africa. These hardline sentiments are the result of revivalist and fundamentalist movements that arose in the 1700’s in Arabia called Salafism and Wahhabism
u got any recs for learning more islamic history?
I think all art history teachers should be fired. we need more amazon warehouse employees
Wildest avy on the site bar none
Damn I can imagine itll be hard for the professor to get a new job with that on their record
Yay more people getting fired for dumb nonsense yayyy
The attitudes towards something as particular as this varied from time to time. Medieval Islamic society was far more liberal and tolerant as it flourished in the Middle East and North Africa. These hardline sentiments are the result of revivalist and fundamentalist movements that arose in the 1700’s in Arabia called Salafism and Wahhabism
Again this is completely false
It was always considered very taboo throughout all muslim societies to draw this type of stuff.
Also the medieval era was as religious or even more than now. In fact it’s in the 1700’s that the muslim world started liberalizing due to the decline of the ottomans vis a vis the europeans and it went in turbo mode in the late 1800’s when muslims went through colonization. The turn back towards Orthodox Islam is a product of de-colonisation, it only started around the mid to late 1900’s.
Also Arabia was a non factor culturally speaking in the muslim world for hundreds of years until the oil boom. The center of Islam back then was Egypt and (especially) Anatolia.
Definition of f*** around and find out. Even if her intentions were in the right place, how in 2022 she thought this would be okay is beyond me.
Definition of f*** around and find out. Even if her intentions were in the right place, how in 2022 she thought this would be okay is beyond me.
It's not really even about her intentions. No one was materially harmed by her doing this, and she even gave students a warning and the opportunity to leave.
You're essentially losing your livelihood because the mere idea of you doing something (that didn't directly affect anyone who didn't want to be affected by it) was offensive to others.
Just because something is a rule or scripture that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be criticized or amended. There’s no real reason that showing a picture of a historical figure should get you fired in 2023. Just makes no sense and it’s ridiculous. It’s okay to say it.
Islam is one of the most ridiculous religions because they’re one of the few ones that believe their holy book is actually the word of god rather than a book written by humans inspired by god.
To change Islam is to go against the word of god
ALL religion so f***ing stupid dog. imagine thinking muhammad care about if you f***ing paint him or not.
I was born and raised Muslim but anyone with an academic background can realize that there's a major difference between a class on the academic historicity of religion and the academic theology. This goes for all religions.
It's the equivalent of Christians turning up to a "History of Jesus and How He May Have Lived" and raging that the class is bullshit and anti-religious, or a class looking at the evolution of Judaism from polytheistic Semitic religions and Jewish folks asking for the teacher to be fired. The class is not for you. It's not trying to offend you. It's taking an academic perspective on a historical basis. This is actual Islamic art history-- it's not a Charlie Hebdo comic panel. It's Islamic art made by actual Muslims.
We can simultaneously understand that there is a strong bias against Islam in the Judeo-Christian West and its institutions, but I think this is ridiculous and goes too far.
Just my opinion though.
Well said
this man is so caught up in his religious hating ass r/atheists arc because of his parents lmao
Youre an idiot
Calling everyone that dislikes religion a reddit atheist starts losing its meaning after a while
She gave them a chance to leave and gave warning early in the year through a syllabus.
She absolutely met them halfway
That’s not meeting them halfway
That’s just saying I’m gonna do something objectively offensive to many people
In the end this is simply normalizing something that matters a LOT a more to Muslims than it does to non Muslims.
This is a discussion on sexuality, diet, social dynamics between men and women and how Islam and the west constraint and struggle to integrate
This is a simple case of a western person pushing the boundaries on what is acceptable in the stage on academia and they got a reality check.
There’s zero incentive for them to draw a religious figure that 1 billion people on the world agree shouldn’t be illustrated.
And the fact some people in this thread think it’s justifiable that they should get away with it kind of proves that there’s zero sympathy towards Muslims.
Letting someone get away with something like this is simply saying, we don’t care about Muslims. Keep your mouth shut you live in our society, your beliefs, don’t matter.
Oh so it used to be less strict about it
Thst makes sense now then
There’s no correlation between the rise of fundamentalism and a clear-cut Quranic verse that bans depictions of the prophet.
Throughout Islamic history, depictions of Muhammad in Islamic art were rare. Even so, there exists a "notable corpus of images of Muhammad produced, mostly in the form of manuscript illustrations, in various regions of the Islamic world from the thirteenth century through modern times". Depictions of Muhammad date back to the start of the tradition of Persian miniatures as illustrations in books. The illustrated book from the Persianate world (Warka and Gulshah, Topkapi Palace Library H. 841, attributed to Konya 1200–1250) contains the two earliest known Islamic depictions of Muhammad.
He’s feeding you bullshit and propaganda.
Following a Quranic verse as simple as avoiding the consumption of pork isn’t wahabism.