There’s a depiction of the Prophets face present on the Supreme Court building. It was included in 1935 to honor him since most of the constitutions writing and following laws in early America took great influence for sharia used by the Ottomans who were for the worlds superpower for hundreds of years.

Even back then you had simple regular Muslims calling on the face of the engraving to be removed.

Saying no Muslims being upset about this is just wahabism is lazy arguments and purposely damaging/insulting.

We agree as a society that if you’re not a part of a minority group of people, you should stfu about what offends them. If you’re not black you should stfu on how black ppl should feel, if you’re not trans you should stfu about how they should feel, etc etc

(unless it’s in the context where an individual or extremist group has done something wrong. Which clearly isn’t the case here)

ITT we have a bunch of non-Muslims gaslighting and telling regular harmless Muslims living in the west what they should accept and what shouldn’t offend them.

On the front page it said “Instructor fired for showing pain…”
Thought it was gonna say painus

Let’s be perfectly clear THERES NO CONFLICTING views going on here as a subject matter

They had zero justification to draw the prophet and chose to do so knowing it’s greatly offensive.

Piss off hundreds to thousands of honest normal people at your university — one which you represent, and you’re surprised you lose your job (depending on the Muslim population)

This matters to Muslims, it doesn’t matter to anyone else. Any bothering to argue against has ill intent or a lack of empathy to a minority group of ppl based upon a lack of context/knowledge.

Same website though that believed stupid Chinese Communist Party propaganda that the Ughyer genocide isn’t a genocide though when there are escapees living across numerous major cities in North America, EUR who speak out

And the amount of islamphobia that’s allowed to fester on here and mods never giving a f***

Non religious people ITT pushing their beliefs onto a major minority group

I live in a 99% muslim country and there was this wave of fundementalist religiousness post 2011 that pushed against all forms of paintings and taking pictures. I remember we used to have this archive of family polaroids in posession of my Salafi uncle which he then proceeded to burn. Including stills of his lost mother.

Primarily funded by monarchies (The UAE/Saudi Arabia and Wahabbism in particular), as a way to cement power through divine rule

There’s a reason most historical nation-states that utilize religion in their doctrine are primarily attracted to the most hardline interpretations of the respective faiths

College shouldn’t have fired the professor

Clearly there was an outlined historical context in which the image was displayed and the class most likely knew beforehand of the material

It’s like a Christian getting mad at the the earliest visual depiction of Jesus we know of, because it is a image which displays him with a donkey head

Except 1) this isn’t a hardline interpretation 2) the vast majority of Muslims hate Wahabism and it’s spread on part of the Saudi government (and US btw) 3) Wahabism has killed and hurt more Muslims than any other group

Sorry if this sounds too new wave reddit atheism but it's very hard to take religion seriously when it incites wildly out of proportion reactions to such trivialities.

You describing it as triviality is literally just saying f*** you, we don’t have to respect symbols of faith even though you’re citizens of the same country — suck it up

I think there is a lot of wisdom/kernels of truth underlying most major religions, and plenty of value in reading religious texts, but it's genuinely mind-boggling to me that a large portion of the planet takes these texts 100% literally.

I mean how lame would it be if the creator of this unfathomably vast universe was so petty and myopic that they gave a f*** about this

ppl write texts for others to follow

i understand the role religion plays in peoples lives and the impact its had on human history, its shaped a lot of it

The human perspective is completely myopic in terms how limited our perception is of reality and/or space time

Seems pretty in line with Islamic texts which describe the omnipotence of the creator and inability for humans to truly comprehend the meaning of things

This type of logic can be bended and extended to oppose any sort of disagreement with any religion's teachings. It's just way too broad to be of any substance.

If for example someone disputes a religion's interpretation of morality it doesn't mean they dismiss all followers of said religion as being morally bankrupt. So no it's not a "fuck you" to anybody.

Absolutely spot on

I'm not denying that and I think religion is special in a lot of ways. In the sense of what it says about the human mind, the value it can add to peoples' lives, etc.
I just think it takes an incredible amount of presumptuousness and reaching to take these texts 100% literally.

There’s entire debates in theology about how certain texts are supposed to be interpreted

IMO you shouldn’t interpret these texts literally, and you should generally interpret them that grounds them in the surrounding history and conditions in which they were written in

I just don’t like religion (which should be a private and personal matter, or one shared with a surrounding community) being imposed on people, it’s the fundamental reason I disagree with theocracy and things such as American law rulings influenced by religiously-motivated groups

I fundamentally disagree with the Zionist interpretation of Judaism and Christianity which calls for the occupation of old Israel in order to bring about a fulfilled prophecy

Any visual depiction of a living conscious entity, including animals btw, is haram according to the more orthodox sunni traditions.

Depictions of Hussein are done by Shia who don't consider the fatwas which forbid painting and photography to hold a real merit.

Trivializing the grievances and beliefs of a significant minority group is wrong and there’s no place for it in a multicultural society.

You’re choosing to get away from the point of the discussion which is that most Muslims in the west mind their own business and are respectful of differences between them and the west. This same courtesy should be extended towards them and in this situation comes in the form of respecting how their prophet should or should not be depicted.

Why would a prospective Muslim student, academic, or whoever want anything to do with this institution if they let the open mocking of their religion be normalized

when mfs start schizoposting back to back u know a thread has ran its course

This is the line of questioning the other poster is avoiding

Surely such a pious person would know that different sects have different interpretations and this is the foundation of religious sectarianism which affects all major religions, especially the Abrahamic ones

Is the other poster then implying that their belief is the only true one and represents everybody?

Not even looking at which sect is valid or not look at the demographic split between Sunni and Shia and decide which makes for sense to use when we’re talking about general views of Muslims

So what happens if a large portion of us have a belief system that says you should be able to teach anything so long as it doesn't materially harm anyone - even if it's offensive to some people?

This is why having a standard of 'it offends x group of people so it has to be universally disavowed' isn't workable. You can easily point out that there is a sizable group y that isn't okay with that standard to begin with.