Free YoungBoy

12mo

Yeah the people who agree with you are wrong. Like what about Drake is more “emotionally complex” then Rod Wave or Gunna or whatever

Mr Papi Nigga Dave

12mo

on Buddha wtf is dude talking bout. a lot of the s*** going on now would never fly back in ETs days

browser

12mo

His mother crying on his stomach because she’s only 5’2 or him talking about being a capper who rode around in his uncles car

Like y’all niggas aren’t being serious

It's like '09 in your basement and I'm in love with Nebby
And I still love her, but it fell through because I wasn't ready
And your back hurt, and your neck hurt, and you smoking heavy
And I sit next to you, and I lecture you because those are deadly
And then you ash it, and we argue about spending money on bullshit
And you tell me I'm just like my father, my one button, you push it
Now it's, "Fuck you, I hate you, I'll move out in a heartbeat"
Then I leave out and you call me, tell me that you sorry
You love me, and I love you, and your heart hurts, mine does too
And it's just words and they cut deep, but it's our world, it's just us two
I see painkillers on the kitchen counter, I hate to see, it all hurt so bad
But maybe I wouldn't have worked as hard if you were healthy and it weren't so bad

When the f*** does Gunna talk like this? Even Rod Wave waters his s*** down to vague lyrics where it’s the sad boy caricature of what OP is talking about

Vino

12mo

Can you explain the difference within the context of your original point?

BIG early

12mo

all jokes aside, hip hop is more vulnerable today than it has ever been

browser

12mo

His mother crying on his stomach because she’s only 5’2 or him talking about being a capper who rode around in his uncles car

Like y’all niggas aren’t being serious

It's like '09 in your basement and I'm in love with Nebby
And I still love her, but it fell through because I wasn't ready
And your back hurt, and your neck hurt, and you smoking heavy
And I sit next to you, and I lecture you because those are deadly
And then you ash it, and we argue about spending money on bullshit
And you tell me I'm just like my father, my one button, you push it
Now it's, "Fuck you, I hate you, I'll move out in a heartbeat"
Then I leave out and you call me, tell me that you sorry
You love me, and I love you, and your heart hurts, mine does too
And it's just words and they cut deep, but it's our world, it's just us two
I see painkillers on the kitchen counter, I hate to see, it all hurt so bad
But maybe I wouldn't have worked as hard if you were healthy and it weren't so bad

When the f*** does Gunna talk like this? Even Rod Wave waters his s*** down to vague lyrics where it’s the sad boy caricature of what OP is talking about

Free YoungBoy

12mo

Plenty of rappers got content like this lol. The only difference is Drake is a better technical rapper. Yall niggas are just getting older and can’t get over the s*** yall grew up one that’s really all it amounts to

browser

12mo

I could ask what other rappers have songs like that, especially ones that debuted 2019 or later

#But I’d rather ask what Gunna and Rod Wave songs have that much depth to them since those are the names you said lol

browser

12mo

I could ask what other rappers have songs like that, especially ones that debuted 2019 or later

#But I’d rather ask what Gunna and Rod Wave songs have that much depth to them since those are the names you said lol

Free YoungBoy

12mo

Depth is subjective. There’s no objective rubric that says this song is “deeper” than the other.

Like what’s the difference in “complexity” between Cole rapping about losing his virginity or YB rapping about seeing a voodoo lady to fix his problems?

Dino

12mo

Would a song like this fit in your criteria for being vulnerable? @op

browser

12mo

There is none which is why niggas aren’t coming at YB (even though 70-80% of the time he’s playing into the character OP is talking about but he gives more depth than most rappers in his generation; Kodak at times too) but my boy you said Rod Wave and Gunna lmaoo

ryuH

12mo

Definitely vulnerable

YB is not an emotionally complex artist though

Emotionally complex means being able to navigate a wide range of emotions not just pain and rage

Free YoungBoy

12mo

Yeah the people who agree with you are wrong. Like what about Drake is more “emotionally complex” then Rod Wave or Gunna or whatever

ragedsycokiller

12mo

You can write entire different memes and jokes about Drake for many reasons for his career due to him acting like himself. A cornball. He's also a great actor that can fill many personas or connect to different people.

You can describe Drake in so many ways.

I doubt you can do the same about Gunna. It would be a fraction of what you can write or describe about him compared to Drake. A snitch, a guy who used to be fat, and a guy under young thug.

ryuH

12mo

Talking about your pain is common rap subject matter and pretty much a cliche at this point. Pretty much every rapper talks about some level of pain at varying degrees of sincerity.

Being emotionally complex means showing who you are as an actual human. It’s not just about “pain”. It’s about your unique perspective beyond who the culture tells you to be. Your belief system, your value system, not just reciting the s*** that happened to you but unpacking how your experiences shaped you and exploring how your paradigm relates to what’s happening in the community and culture around you. And not forcing it and doing it because “that’s what a rapper supposed to do”. Doing it genuinely because you are actually an emotionally mature adult human who isn’t afraid to be yourself and isn’t trying to follow a trend.

Free YoungBoy

12mo

So because Drake pretended to be multiple niggas throughout his career we’re giving him props for that over Gunna just being himself. Like come on dawg that’s really what you just said

ragedsycokiller

12mo

Gunna being himself is boring and not emotionally complex in OPs definition.

The entire 2000s decade had a good balance of mainstream complex and simple rappers who can give a variety of music to everybody. From Soulja Boy to Jay Z.

In 2020, we do not have that luxury. A majority of the current mainstream generation is boring

Vino

12mo

So could the youth today be experiencing a culture that has led them into a lack of emotional complexity and lowered literacy? Resulting in the inability to engage in the same level of emotionally mature conversation someone at our age might have been having in a different time in history?

ryuH

12mo

Talking about your pain is common rap subject matter and pretty much a cliche at this point. Pretty much every rapper talks about some level of pain at varying degrees of sincerity.

Being emotionally complex means showing who you are as an actual human. It’s not just about “pain”. It’s about your unique perspective beyond who the culture tells you to be. Your belief system, your value system, not just reciting the s*** that happened to you but unpacking how your experiences shaped you and exploring how your paradigm relates to what’s happening in the community and culture around you. And not forcing it and doing it because “that’s what a rapper supposed to do”. Doing it genuinely because you are actually an emotionally mature adult human who isn’t afraid to be yourself and isn’t trying to follow a trend.

Free YoungBoy

12mo

So Soulja boy is “emotionally complex” but Gunna isn’t? I’m not even saying Gunna is emotionally complex or whatever I’m saying he’s really nothing all that different from other rappers from back then

Niggas didn’t even like Soulja boy back then. Yall just retroactively pretend like yall always loved him