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  • Mar 6
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    Laced

    Kendrick was always the underdog until he put out TPAB. Cole fans wanted a reply to that but didn't find it in 4YEO. DAMN officially put Kendrick at the solid #2 spot and Coles been fighting to take it back since. TFO might do it cause I'm already seeing Kendrick return to that underdog position in a lot of peoples eyes. We'll see

    Naw I disagree once he dropped GKMC he wasn’t a underdog no more and honestly put pressure on both Cole and Drake

  • FREE

    I guess man I don't agree but I don't really care to argue either end of the day people will give him the spot anyway and this is just yapping

    the nicki comment is subjective but the future one is fact. cole’s spot was cemented before kendrick’s so if anything, it was given to him

  • Mar 6
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    thekid187

    nicki is iconic, but she didnt put out enough projects to be on the same level as the other artists for me

    but overall and in terms of impact you could say she is on that level, based on the fact she has been running female rap for over a decade.

    This is ultimately why Drake has the strongest case for the GOAT of his generation. He's given us several high-impact moments, not just in terms of singles/features, but in terms of full-length efforts.

    It's crazy to me how much he's thoroughly outworked Cole and Kendrick since 2009.

    With Kendrick, since 2009, you have:
    C4
    Overly Dedicated
    Section.80
    GKMC
    TPAB
    UU
    DAMN.
    MMATBS

    With Cole, since 2009, you have:
    The Warm Up
    Friday Night Lights
    Sideline Story
    Born Sinner
    2014 FHD
    4YEO
    KOD
    The Off-Season

    With Drake, since 2009, you have:
    So Far Gone
    Thank Me Later
    Take Care
    NWTS
    IYRTITL
    WATTBA
    Views
    More Life
    Scorpion
    Care Package
    DLDT
    CLB
    Honestly, Nevermind
    Her Loss
    For All the Dogs

    It's not even close.

    Nicki is the female GOAT rapper but she could have definitely established herself more if she didn't take two sets of 4+ year breaks with no albums.

  • Mar 6
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    Draxx556

    Naw I disagree once he dropped GKMC he wasn’t a underdog no more and honestly put pressure on both Cole and Drake

    Well I'm talking about in the eyes of the general public. GKMC put Kendrick in the conversation but Cole still had a hold on a lotttttt of folks. Especially after Forrest hills drive. I didn't see that flip for the MAJORITY of people until after TPAB/DAMN

  • Veggie

    Kendrick hasn’t been an underdog since GKMC

    *Section.80.

  • Yeah that big 3 is for 30 year olds that stop listening to new music after High school

  • thekid187

    whatever lets you sleep at night g

    Rank Drake's albums rn lol

  • Mar 6
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    thegreatdivine

    This is ultimately why Drake has the strongest case for the GOAT of his generation. He's given us several high-impact moments, not just in terms of singles/features, but in terms of full-length efforts.

    It's crazy to me how much he's thoroughly outworked Cole and Kendrick since 2009.

    With Kendrick, since 2009, you have:
    C4
    Overly Dedicated
    Section.80
    GKMC
    TPAB
    UU
    DAMN.
    MMATBS

    With Cole, since 2009, you have:
    The Warm Up
    Friday Night Lights
    Sideline Story
    Born Sinner
    2014 FHD
    4YEO
    KOD
    The Off-Season

    With Drake, since 2009, you have:
    So Far Gone
    Thank Me Later
    Take Care
    NWTS
    IYRTITL
    WATTBA
    Views
    More Life
    Scorpion
    Care Package
    DLDT
    CLB
    Honestly, Nevermind
    Her Loss
    For All the Dogs

    It's not even close.

    Nicki is the female GOAT rapper but she could have definitely established herself more if she didn't take two sets of 4+ year breaks with no albums.

    that’s why it was so easy for people to put cardi over her nicki was dormant at that point

  • DiamondsFlooded

    that’s why it was so easy for people to put cardi over her nicki was dormant at that point

    She wasn't exactly dormant since the had some remixes/features here and there but yeah, that 2015-2017 gap where she didn't drop any projects really left the door open. That's when Dej Loaf, Iggy Azalea and Cardi B all started doing their damage.

  • Mar 6
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    Dino

    It would be cool of one of the other two could drop an album better than gkmc or tpab, until then his spot secured

    facts and even if you wanna talk numbers niggas love to conveniently forget this

  • Mar 6
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    Laced

    Well I'm talking about in the eyes of the general public. GKMC put Kendrick in the conversation but Cole still had a hold on a lotttttt of folks. Especially after Forrest hills drive. I didn't see that flip for the MAJORITY of people until after TPAB/DAMN

    I’m talking about the general public as well once he dropped GKMC and then control he definitely was not the underdog it was Cole 2A and Kendrick 2B fighting for that 1st spot that Drake had until Cole dropped FHD which I will agree it did give him edge but once Kendrick dropped TPAB it was over with from there Drake definitely keep his spot with NWTS IYRTITL and his features but it was Drake 1A and Kendrick 1B and Cole 2 from like 2015-2017 then it was Drake Kendrick Cole by the end of the decade

  • Draxx556

    I’m talking about the general public as well once he dropped GKMC and then control he definitely was not the underdog it was Cole 2A and Kendrick 2B fighting for that 1st spot that Drake had until Cole dropped FHD which I will agree it did give him edge but once Kendrick dropped TPAB it was over with from there Drake definitely keep his spot with NWTS IYRTITL and his features but it was Drake 1A and Kendrick 1B and Cole 2 from like 2015-2017 then it was Drake Kendrick Cole by the end of the decade

    Agreed

  • Laced

    Nah he was. I fought with a lot of people after Forrest hills drive. Niggas was not tryna hear it lmao

    Kendrick solidified himself with gkmc, after that October release and the control verse early in 2013, which was a smart move, nothing was the same, TBAP changed game amongst them and was not his introduction in the big 3 like a lot of you are saying, what

  • splice

    facts and even if you wanna talk numbers niggas love to conveniently forget this

    https://twitter.com/dailyrapfacts/status/1582431427907309569

    Not that it matter but it Would be cool a graph to see of how high and low the charting was for 10 years.

  • Mar 6
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    EyeKastHugeShadows

    Kendrick solidified himself with gkmc, after that October release and the control verse early in 2013, which was a smart move, nothing was the same, TBAP changed game amongst them and was not his introduction in the big 3 like a lot of you are saying, what

    Underdog doesn't mean introduction. It means underdog within the top 3

  • Can’t believe op said childish gambino

  • Laced

    Underdog doesn't mean introduction. It means underdog within the top 3

    I know that, kendrick never had to scramble like Cole did, his debut was shaky and from then on his place was ambiguous, whereas kendrick got that immediate respect, anyway we were all there in different places so this doesn't even matter. The concept of the thread title is flawed due to the fact that no one was added late, they were always those guys

  • Vino

    I swear you niggas don’t like rap. What don’t you like about it? Aside from the basic “it’s boring” response

    It’s a really good concept album with versatility and really displays Cole’s storytelling well. The album gave us a perfect narrative of a black man trying to escape a lifestyle that was consuming him in favor of his loved ones. Songs like 4 Your Eyez Only are GOATed, that’s 8 minutes of some of the best storytelling rapping Cole has ever made, especially since it’s all in the perspective of his dead friend. Even a song like foldin clothes is about enjoying the simplest things in life and family. That s*** is such a vibe to me, that beat is captivating and his energy on tracks really brings it together. Song got that Sunday afternoon, wine drunk with your girl cleaning up and dancing vibes.

    The intro is a great tone setter for the album with the second song immortal setting up the story well. If 2014 FHD was a love letter to Fayetteville, then this album was dedicated to all those who did make it out by prioritizing other things in life (significant other and building a life together) especially when they first meets this person (Deja Vu). It’s also for those that got trapped in the city and never made it out (Ville Mentality) but their name lives on through family and friends. It’s also shows how confusing this point of mental growth can be (She’s Mine Pt. 1, Change) as both Cole and his friend, the other main character of the story of the album, are experiencing two sides of the same situation. Also despite this newfound mentality, the world will still think you are the same person and try to keep you in the same place (Neighbors). This is all healed through love (foldin clothes) and another major step in life, fatherhood (she’s mine pt. 2). Here, the other main character still thinks he’s not worthy of love and fatherhood and returns back to street life, which leads into 4 Your Eyez Only bringing the story full circle

    Overall, just a really good album once you start a***yzing and get away from online memes. A stellar addition to a legendary catalogue. Thats my goat

    Not reading all this because I don't care about the album enough to but it really was boring as s***. Immortal, Change, Neighbors, title track are good. But the rest of the tracklist is super bland/forgettable (FWTBT/Deja Vu) or just awful (Ville mentality, Foldin clothes, She's Mine). The album is only 10 songs, She's Mine 2 feels like a wasted spot on the tracklist when he could've just made it one song

    I was looking forward to the album. Based off the title, I thought he was going to get personal and get into why his brother was locked up. Everybody Dies and False Prophets had great rapping. But it was just another disappointing album from J Cole, especially coming after 2014 FHD

    Title track carries the album so hard. I guarantee we wouldn't see anybody trying to claim this album is a classic( ) if not for that song

  • Dino

    It’s so they can prop up their fav rappers that aren’t really great rappers. It’s even worse on twitter, I saw a tweet saying Future was a better lyricist than J Cole

    needs to be a thread tbh

    lots of people on this site need to let that mid 2010s trap boom go

  • Most of mac, tyler and binos early stuff was considered questionable in the hip hop world when it was dropping and they became more widely accepted in the second half of their careers

    Where as from-the-go cole kendrick and drake were seen as the front runners and widely accepted on a commercial and hop hop head pov (sans-the drake is soft hate)

    Truly the conversation of the big 3 was just a product of its time because as other artists faded (Wale, Meek, Rocky, Sean) those three stayed on top

  • J Cole the Carmelo Anthony of rap

  • Jim Halpert

    Yeah. One of those projects was never topped by the artist. While the other two made multiple better albums that are hailed as classics.

    That’s an entirely different convo than the idea of them being a big 3 starting in 2018 lol

  • i wouldn’t say it’s due to nostalgia cause even back then during those time people would put him up there even if i disagreed

  • Nah cole got hits

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