OPMar 12, 2021·3 repliesSinewaveNo it’s cuz he’s right and in fact most people on KTT would not agree with what safe and I are saying cuz they don’t understand how music works now or how it worked then lol, including yourself apparently
I addressed u but u ignored the point
People can buy one album and listen to it everyday back in the day but it would only count as one sale
Ignition has been embedded in culture for nearly 20 years, blinding lights needs time. U stans and people who look at billboard as god need to relax
- americana 🍷Mar 12, 2021·1 replySHAQUILLE
No. Records hold more weight today tbh
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this is the first time where the individual habits of every listener is able to be measured accurately 
Mar 12, 2021“Yeah but only when Drake does it”
- Mar 12, 2021·2 repliesblachaze
I addressed u but u ignored the point
People can buy one album and listen to it everyday back in the day but it would only count as one sale
Ignition has been embedded in culture for nearly 20 years, blinding lights needs time. U stans and people who look at billboard as god need to relax
give me one objective measure that ignition remix has showing it’s a bigger song than Blinding Lights
- Mar 12, 2021blachaze
I addressed u but u ignored the point
People can buy one album and listen to it everyday back in the day but it would only count as one sale
Ignition has been embedded in culture for nearly 20 years, blinding lights needs time. U stans and people who look at billboard as god need to relax
See my post at the bottom of page two, you’re not understanding purchasing and consumption habits when it comes to music
frenchpress 🔺Mar 12, 2021·2 repliesamericanafr.
this is the first time where the individual habits of every listener is able to be measured accuratelymby. habits are more intertwined with suggestions these days via playlists and "up next" kinda things
- Mar 12, 2021
Bobby_96In a way, yes.
Streaming is dominated by people under 40 and radio and TV music videos are functionally dead which means that the age of the megastar is almost over.
Average people have no clue who that Olivia chick is, even though she's had the number 1 song of the country since forever.
Same with the dudes who made that Mood song.
Hits in the past felt way more organic bc they were partly driven by record sales and were exposed to a wide variety of media. When Lil Jon dropped Get Low, even your grandma heard the song and Lil Jon's name(and his "YEAH!" phrase).
That's not the case anymore. I'll say the records broken still technically hold merit but, in the Internet/streaming age, it feels far less universal and significant.
Because the way we consume media is different. Everyone isn’t sitting together in the living room watching media with their family anymore. Mom and dad have their own s*** and the kids have their s***.
That’s why Olivia can have such a massive song without a lot of people knowing who tf she is or what her song even sounds like.
Because everyone has a computer in their pocket entire demographics are able to be heard that weren’t able to be heard back in the day
Mar 12, 2021
MrIndigo96I mean even though streaming might’ve made it easier it’s still a big accomplishment in my eyes. Imagine if 50 cent , Britney Spears or even MJ was around during the streaming era
Prime 50 cent in streaming era might’ve been the biggest thing stat wise in hip hop I bet
Mar 12, 2021frenchpressmby. habits are more intertwined with suggestions these days via playlists and "up next" kinda things
yeah, certain artists are still shoved down our throats on streaming services and s***
- frenchpress 🔺Mar 12, 2021·1 replysafe
give me one objective measure that ignition remix has showing it’s a bigger song than Blinding Lights
blast dat s*** at a party
Mar 12, 2021op thinks his little circle = what the whole world is listening
- Mar 12, 2021·1 reply
the reason records are easier to break rn is because right now like 3 billion people have access to music who didn’t have access to commercial music before the internet
So yea obviously it’s easier in some ways to surpass records
But those songs ARE still bigger - Mar 12, 2021Sinewave· edited
What you said in the first paragraph is the whole point lol. Back in the day, people could buy an album and never listen to it again but it would count as a sale.
Now people have to continually go back to a record en masse for it to mean something: ie they have to actually enjoy listening to it and go back to it repeatedly instead of just buying a copy cuz it’s the thing that’s getting shoved down their throats by labels and stores the most
Very good point
- Mar 12, 2021·1 replyfrenchpress
blast dat s*** at a party
this exactly what I mean
Anecdotally my friends and I might know ignition remix more than blinding lights
But I can’t extrapolate that globally I can never know what kids in Germany like
It’s why we gotta use numbers even if the numbers don’t paint the picture that we subjectively believe to be true - Mar 12, 2021·2 repliessafe
the reason records are easier to break rn is because right now like 3 billion people have access to music who didn’t have access to commercial music before the internet
So yea obviously it’s easier in some ways to surpass records
But those songs ARE still biggerMaybe bigger in the moment if more people are listening because of access
Not necessarily bigger in the long run though. It takes a while for culture to solidify itself
- frenchpress 🔺Mar 12, 2021safe
this exactly what I mean
Anecdotally my friends and I might know ignition remix more than blinding lights
But I can’t extrapolate that globally I can never know what kids in Germany like
It’s why we gotta use numbers even if the numbers don’t paint the picture that we subjectively believe to be trueblast dat s*** at a german party
- OPMar 12, 2021·edited·1 replysafe
give me one objective measure that ignition remix has showing it’s a bigger song than Blinding Lights
If I use billboard stats I can say that “I gotta feeling” by the black eyed peas is bigger than “Billie Jean” by Michael Jackson.
I gotta feeling 10x platinum RIAA Ceritifed DIAMOND
Billie Jean 6x Platinum RIAA cerified
Mar 12, 2021safeBlinding Lights is literally the second biggest Billboard hit ever
Your anecdotal “it doesn’t feel that big” doesn’t mean anything
It’s sold 23m copies worldwide in 14 months and is on track to be diamond very shortly
It is objectively by every measure one of the biggest songs of all time
Numbers aside in my opinion Blinding Lights is one of the best pop songs ever, so the numbers just reinforce that
- Mar 12, 2021John Mauve
Maybe bigger in the moment if more people are listening because of access
Not necessarily bigger in the long run though. It takes a while for culture to solidify itself
And streaming reflects that. That’s why some s*** like trollz can go #1 then fall off the face of the earth. It measures longevity and staying power more rapidly and accurately than any previous system could
- Mar 12, 2021·2 repliesJohn Mauve
Maybe bigger in the moment if more people are listening because of access
Not necessarily bigger in the long run though. It takes a while for culture to solidify itself
but if a song sells 30m copies in 2 years it’s still sold more copies than a song that sold 15m copies over 20 years
We can’t just declare the second song “bigger” because it’s had a lasting cultural impact
Ignition remix is almost definitely gonna be a bigger cultural landmark than blinding lights
It’s also almost definitely never going to have been the bigger song - Mar 12, 2021·1 replyblachaze· edited
If I use billboard stats I can say that “I gotta feeling” by the black eyed peas is bigger than “Billie Jean” by Michael Jackson.
I gotta feeling 10x platinum RIAA Ceritifed DIAMOND
Billie Jean 6x Platinum RIAA cerified
the f*** that got to do w my question
- frenchpress 🔺Mar 12, 2021·1 replysafe
but if a song sells 30m copies in 2 years it’s still sold more copies than a song that sold 15m copies over 20 years
We can’t just declare the second song “bigger” because it’s had a lasting cultural impact
Ignition remix is almost definitely gonna be a bigger cultural landmark than blinding lights
It’s also almost definitely never going to have been the bigger songIgnition remix is almost definitely gonna be a bigger cultural landmark than blinding lights
It’s also almost definitely never going to have been the bigger songwhat's the diff between these 2 things
Mar 12, 2021·1 replysafeBlinding Lights is literally the second biggest Billboard hit ever
Your anecdotal “it doesn’t feel that big” doesn’t mean anything
It’s sold 23m copies worldwide in 14 months and is on track to be diamond very shortly
It is objectively by every measure one of the biggest songs of all time
I can’t wrap my head around this
Mar 12, 2021·1 replysafeIgnition remix literally didn’t even go #1 lmfao
there are so many songs that went number one in the past year alone that won’t have the staying power of ignition remix
Mar 12, 2021Actual discourse ITT
