Antidote

5y

Her last card is a Cardi B collab

quadra

5y

Ain’t this Rebecca Black?

Sir Swagalot

5y

Rosalia is great when it comes to flamenco pop but outside of that she just appropriates Latino culture

safe

5y

That dynamic makes a lot of sense w why it’s an issue more than just in a vacuum
But it still has me wondering why white people in hip-hop is accepted considering a similar dynamic exists there historically

Stantm4444

5y

I understand it, but follow that line of thought. Where does it lead? So only African Americans should make hip hop? Only Latin Americans can make raggaeton, Latin trap, and Dembow? Only Spaniards can make Flamenco?

I assume you’d say no. So what do we do about the Rosalia situation? I’ve actually wrote about this before, since it’s a classic case of cultural appropriation (when she dabs into certain genres and singing deliveries). First, she can acknowledge the cultural power dynamics (which you referenced) as a big artist she can uplift and shout out Latinos making the music she’s trying out (via feature or simple verbal support) and she can blend genres. As a Spaniard, she can address other genres from a unique perspective. This is a GOOD thing, and the beauty of music. It’s meant to be shared. So it’s worth thinking about innovate, fair, and optimistic ways to bring cultures together around genres.

DonutHole

5y

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All of this doesn't matter when there's 1 demographic that owns distributes all of music...
Capitalism skewed the whole "let's share our beautiful culture" your talking about

it's not "sharing" it's taking up market space in a market that treats "colored" people unfairly (financially and morally speaking)

Basically, let's allow everyone in our culture (whatever non-white culture that may be) but we aren't allowed in their's with the same ease, welcome and opportunities...

The problem if I'm not mistaken is that she's not embracing Latino/as but making money of of their culture reggeaton... So the whole "she can educate, uplift , acknowledge Latino culture" falls apart as she is already showing signs of not embracing that Latino identity (she is not apart of- she's a white European from spain)

By "you don't understand the dynamics" I meant :

she's from the country of their colonizers... doing the music that originated iirc in the poorer Latino communities (with alot of black people), the dynamic is akin to a British white woman doing dancehall music and not claiming to be Jamaican (dancing around the question saying there are no borders, ma'am yes there are borders your ancestors violated them to commit crimes against humanity, stop playing.) ... It's off and comes of as opportunistic.

Danhust

5y

Flamenco is gipsy culture. Or south of Spain which is pretty similar anyway.

Just say she's a guest in the house of both genres lol let her just make the music she wants to.

Stantm4444

5y

No worries! You’re good! I’m African American and I feel the same way about non-black artist trying out hip-hop in an offensive way.

Like you said, people just need to educate themselves. I have a Latina friend who educated me on the Rosalia situation (she’s Columbian-American). I didn’t mean to play dumb earlier, I was just curious if you had any ideas about what Rosalia should do right. Since I think, as she grows, she’s going to have to do the things you mentioned.

Sir Swagalot

5y

Rn she’s at the top of her game and I don’t see her acknowledging this anytime soon tbh.

I’m just curious to see how her new album will sound. Will she go more commercial? Stay making flamenco?

DonutHole

5y

All of this doesn't matter when there's 1 demographic that owns distributes all of music...
Capitalism skewed the whole "let's share our beautiful culture" your talking about

it's not "sharing" it's taking up market space in a market that treats "colored" people unfairly (financially and morally speaking)

Basically, let's allow everyone in our culture (whatever non-white culture that may be) but we aren't allowed in their's with the same ease, welcome and opportunities...

The problem if I'm not mistaken is that she's not embracing Latino/as but making money of of their culture reggeaton... So the whole "she can educate, uplift , acknowledge Latino culture" falls apart as she is already showing signs of not embracing that Latino identity (she is not apart of- she's a white European from spain)

By "you don't understand the dynamics" I meant :

she's from the country of their colonizers... doing the music that originated iirc in the poorer Latino communities (with alot of black people), the dynamic is akin to a British white woman doing dancehall music and not claiming to be Jamaican (dancing around the question saying there are no borders, ma'am yes there are borders your ancestors violated them to commit crimes against humanity, stop playing.) ... It's off and comes of as opportunistic.

Danhust

5y

What about Enrique then? He was Rosalia before Rosalía.

DonutHole

5y

Enrique "tonight I'm f***ing you" iglesias?

Idk his music like that, if he hopped on the reggeaton wave everything I said in that post can apply to him too, just my thoughts though I'm not an authority on Latina culture.

Sir Swagalot

5y

Rn she’s at the top of her game and I don’t see her acknowledging this anytime soon tbh.

I’m just curious to see how her new album will sound. Will she go more commercial? Stay making flamenco?

Stantm4444

5y

You can do this shared cultural method in a capitalist system too. I would argue we’ve already made tremendous progress. Is there work to do be done? Obviously, but this dystopian gate-keeping attitude you’re espousing is a slippery slip and does more harm than good.

I think we both want the same things: For people to enjoy and make the music they want. In order to accomplish this in an ethical and diverse way there are several solutions (some of which I’ve outlined, and other unmentioned) to take.

Danhust

5y

C'mon Lord Donut, dude has been making reggaeton for years.

Stantm4444

5y

She’s definitely going to keep expanding her sound I think lol Especially with these recent collaborations. We may even hear some straight up top-40 Swedish hit-making pop records haha

DonutHole

5y

• ethical
• Capitalism
  Pick one

But srsly what progress has there been done in your opinion?

Stantm4444

5y

She’s definitely going to keep expanding her sound I think lol Especially with these recent collaborations. We may even hear some straight up top-40 Swedish hit-making pop records haha

DonutHole

5y

That's not expanding her sound
That's capitalizing of of profitable sounds...

DonutHole

5y

I don't pay attention to him

Now if the shoe fits...