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  • Aug 6
    1 reply
    gabapentin

    But by its very definition I mean murder is a word used to describe the gravest category of killing in a given society

    if something is justified, sanctioned, how can it be murder?

    So of course a self-defense killing, "manslaughter," capital punishment, a police officer shooting someone in the back -- abortion. various instances of these are variously described as murder by some people and either justified or a less depraved crime by others

    but it could be moral to murder, presumably? if someone killed a known child molester walking free in society, many people would cheer and even find that the immoral thing would be to let them keep breathing. even if you were arrested and charged with murder, people would support you, donate to your go fund me if they didn't shut it down.

    It must thereby be immoral to believe that something is murder when a critical mass of people don't think that it is

    Murder is the unlawful killing of another so I guess the question becomes what is the morality of the law and do laws actually serve to properly express morality.

    I suppose that all comes back to where you stand on the spectrum of absolute vs relative morality. Which given your last sentence it seems to you to be relative

  • Aug 6
    Dirty

    Do I commit murder every time I jerk off?

    Asking the real questions

  • Aug 6
    edited

    Not to be a d*** about a sensitive subject, but there's a reason why 99% of people say "my wife had a miscarriage" instead of "my child died" when an 8-12 week old fetus doesn't come to term. It's a terrible experience for the woman and her loved ones, but a child didn't die.

    My wife had a miscarriage at 5 weeks and it was awful, I damn near had a breakdown over it and it took us both time to heal, but I never tried to garner sympathy by comparing my experience to that of someone who had a stillborn child or someone whose baby died of SIDS. That would be wrong of me.

    Abortion is not murder. It's a personal decision and a potentially very important form of health care. If you think it is murder, you're not immoral for thinking so, but restricting the freedom of other adults on such key matters is immoral IMO.

  • gabapentin

    yeah true

    of course while "polling" says that men and women are "equally pro-life"

    "polling" also says that men seem to be much more willing to follow the logic of "saying abortion is murder in public" to "wanting abortion to be treated as murder by the public"

    https://www.newsweek.com/murder-charges-women-getting-abortion-backed-24-men-poll-1706715

    surely the fact that abortion is inherently abstract to them

    do more men believe abortion is murder than women? are more men willing to act on that belief?

    is "abortion is murder" a surrogate belief to justify the oppression of women? is that better or worse than if the Texas Governor signed a bill to allow the summary execution of abortionists by any member of the public out of a genuine belief that abortion is murder?

    I think a lot more men think like that because they don鈥檛 have to put their bodies and even their lives at risk to pregnancy.

  • CurlyZ

    It ain鈥檛 a person till it鈥檚 born, so it can get clapped at any point until then and it鈥檚 moral.

    bruh

  • Maccaveli101

    Yes.

    If that鈥檚 the case, why isn鈥檛 wasting millions of little sperm when masturbating manslaughter?

    You know why.

    sperm is to egg.....

  • my hot take is that it is murder but it should be permissible because it's still a phase of life that's entirely reliant on the mother to survive so if she chooses to abort it she should be allowed to

  • Aug 6
    2 replies

    only 3 types of murder (terminating another life) should be legal imo

    1. abortion
    2. euthanasia for those that request it
    3. self defense

    these will allow the most freedom to individuals while also respecting the sanctity of human life

  • Aug 6
    3 replies
    soapmanwun

    only 3 types of murder (terminating another life) should be legal imo

    1. abortion
    2. euthanasia for those that request it
    3. self defense

    these will allow the most freedom to individuals while also respecting the sanctity of human life

    pro abortion, anti death penalty is a great example of modern morality inversion

    death for the innocent
    life for the guilty

  • maxx

    pro abortion, anti death penalty is a great example of modern morality inversion

    death for the innocent
    life for the guilty

    Yall just be saying s***

  • Aug 6
    1 reply
    maxx

    pro abortion, anti death penalty is a great example of modern morality inversion

    death for the innocent
    life for the guilty

    wow you must think you're thanos or something

  • Aug 6
    1 reply
    Shah Ali Kebabi

    wow you must think you're thanos or something

    dont know who that is

  • maxx

    dont know who that is

    touche

  • Aug 6
    1 reply

    How many people have you met who are openly pro-life also have no other significantly problematic views?

    It鈥檚 not even getting into how s*** childcare and maternity/paternity leave is throughout the country (specifically in states administering these bans).

    It鈥檚 NOT about children.

  • Scratchin Mamba 鈿掞笍
    Aug 6
    1 reply

    Well first you would have to ask if it's the thought that's immoral or the acts that (a lot not all) people commit based on that thought is

    Which would make me answer ur question with another question is THOUGHT POLICE immoral

    Literally 1984?

  • Aug 6
    CrimsonArk

    How many people have you met who are openly pro-life also have no other significantly problematic views?

    It鈥檚 not even getting into how s*** childcare and maternity/paternity leave is throughout the country (specifically in states administering these bans).

    It鈥檚 NOT about children.

    ive never thought to categorize views and opinions into camps of problematic or non-problematic and then ranking them in order of amount of problematicness. who does that

    i mean problematic for who? YOU? f*** you馃槀馃槶

  • Aug 6
    edited

    If its immoral to want this 10 year old girl who was raped by a pedophile to have the proper medical care she needs to safely not have this rape baby then f*** it nigga i鈥檓 immoral

    and I don鈥檛 give a singular f***

  • Maccaveli101

    Yes.

    If that鈥檚 the case, why isn鈥檛 wasting millions of little sperm when masturbating manslaughter?

    You know why.

    Because conception doesn鈥檛 happen until the sperm fertilizes an egg..?

  • Aug 6
    1 reply
    maxx

    pro abortion, anti death penalty is a great example of modern morality inversion

    death for the innocent
    life for the guilty

    that's biopower for you

  • Aug 6
    Napoleon

    that's biopower for you

    not read him tbh

  • Aug 6
    1 reply
    CurlyZ

    It ain鈥檛 a person till it鈥檚 born, so it can get clapped at any point until then and it鈥檚 moral.

    So if kick your pregnant wife in the stomach and the 8 month old baby dies its moral?

  • Aug 6
    Steak

    I don鈥檛 think abortion should be illegal but I can鈥檛 shake the idea that babies are being murdered tbh

    鈥淚t鈥檚 not a baby yet鈥濃 mean what else is it gonna be lol?

    Abortion is done early in pregnancy, can actually really argue that its not a baby yet. Otherwise they wouldnt do it

  • Aug 6
    1 reply
    Steak

    I don鈥檛 think abortion should be illegal but I can鈥檛 shake the idea that babies are being murdered tbh

    鈥淚t鈥檚 not a baby yet鈥濃 mean what else is it gonna be lol?

    does that mean c*******into my sock is immoral, it could have been a baby but now its just a stain

  • Dirty

    Do I commit murder every time I jerk off?

    That鈥檚 genocide brother

  • im not just pro-choice, im pro-abortion. F*** it, actually im anti-babys. Im sick of these little f***s