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  • Jul 16, 2020
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    Ari

    How do you guys feel about Qadr what is your take on it

    It contradicts the notion of free will and justice.

  • Jul 16, 2020
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    voodoo

    What about it?

    I’ve been thinking about it a lot more and know I’m extremely confused

  • Jul 16, 2020
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    I'm trying to spread some awareness on the genocide going on in China against the Uighur muslims, but mods moved my thread to politics section. It would be great if you guys signed the petition.

    ktt2.com/china-cuts-uighur-births-with-iuds-abortion-sterilization-75659

  • Jul 16, 2020
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    mirza

    It contradicts the notion of free will and justice.

    No? Lol

  • Jul 16, 2020
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    Ari

    I’ve been thinking about it a lot more and know I’m extremely confused

    In what sense?

  • Jul 16, 2020
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    travis bickle

    No? Lol

    Can you have free will if everything you do is already predetermined? And if you don't have free will, is it fair to be judged for your actions? I'm not trying to offend anybody, I'm muslim myself, but I've been wresteling with this contradiction since I was a kid.

  • Jul 16, 2020
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    travis bickle

    In what sense?

    Do we really even have choice since everything is already known?

  • Jul 16, 2020
    mirza

    Can you have free will if everything you do is already predetermined? And if you don't have free will, is it fair to be judged for your actions? I'm not trying to offend anybody, I'm muslim myself, but I've been wresteling with this contradiction since I was a kid.

    I’ve been having these same thoughts

  • Jul 17, 2020
    Ari

    Do we really even have choice since everything is already known?

    Answer me this and I am asking @mirza as well.

    We all know the attributes of Allah azza waa jaal as outlined in His 99 Names(I suggest you read them here before reading further 99namesofallah.name ) If Allah, na’audhobillah was deficient in any of these attributes, He would negate His Title correct?

    So if you fully believe and attribute these titles to Allah azza waa jaal, you also are believing in the fact that Allah azza waa jaal is more than capable of creating a situation where, at the same time, His creation has the ability to make decisions for himself, but all these decisions are known by Him before they are done.

    We read it in the Quran al Kareem, say It in supplication, Wa Huwa ‘Ala Kulli Shay’in Qadeer, meaning Allah Has the Ability of All things.

    It would be blatant disbelief in saying that free will contradicts the notion of predeterminism, and frankly it is disbelief to generalize Qadr (Divine Decree) in such a way, as Qadr encompasses four parts:

    1. Al ilm- The Knowledge of Allah
    2. Al Kitabah - The Writings of Allah in al-Lauh al-Mahfoudh (the Preserved Tablet)
    3. Mashee’ah of Allah - Allah’s Will
    4. Al Khalaq - The Creation of Allah

    I suggest you read about these (excluding the thoughts of the deviant sects Qadarites and Jabarites to begin with until you have cemented you belief of Al Qadr) in detail and I can provide some good reads on it if you’d like inshallah.

    The disease of shubbuhat (Specious Thought) occurs to the being in the heart when you struggle over that which is unseen and is said to be Unseen and under the control of the Most Exalted, Allah azza waa jaal. It is above our brains to think about how our free will is synonymous with the Will of Allah

    Let me know if you’d like more explanation on anything Inshallah

  • Jul 17, 2020

    To add and example:

    Imagine you are coming to class after preparing for a test the entire week, and as you come in through the door you see the paper on your desk. However, when you sit down you notice the test is already filled out for you. No one has blinked an eye, nor does anyone including the proctor have an answer as to how and why.

    Your preparation was your choice, you could’ve spent that time doing whatever you pleased, but you chose to study for your exam.

    The test being completed for you is the Unseen, it is the tenets of al- Qadr.

    You prepared for the test as you willed, in hopes of the best outcome. This is how you walk among this dunya as well. Synonymously, there is the test of Allah azza waa jaal which is already written, and you cannot fathom it contents nor its reasons.

    Also,

    What is one of the benefits of full trust and belief on Al Qadr?

    You are free of influence of the world’s strenuous affairs, whether it be on your mind or own your heart.

    Al- Mu’minun are the only people who can say this for a fact, and it is the source of liberation in this dunya.

  • Jul 18, 2020
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    Religion is s***

  • Jul 18, 2020
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    Mesaih

    Religion is s***

    Nice way of starting discourse guy.

    May Allah guide you or otherwise break your back.

    Ameen

  • Jul 25, 2020
    Mesaih

    Religion is s***

    What did you gain from this

  • Jul 28, 2020

    I miss ramadan

    edit: take advantage of these last few days

  • Jul 30, 2020
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    Eid Mubarak bros

  • Jul 30, 2020

    Eid Mubarak family x

  • Jul 31, 2020

    Had no idea there was an Islam thread on KTT my Muslim brothers and sisters!!!!

  • Jul 31, 2020
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    Leaning towards islam might revert one day

  • Jul 31, 2020
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    unplugged

    Leaning towards islam might revert one day

    dont think i could do it tho

  • Jul 31, 2020
    voodoo

    Eid Mubarak bros

  • Jul 31, 2020
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    unplugged

    dont think i could do it tho

    What's stopping you?

  • Jul 31, 2020
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    voodoo

    What's stopping you?

    my belief in god is shaky
    also i feel like i should work on myself before making a big commitment

  • Jul 31, 2020

    Eid Mubarak ktt fam

  • Jul 31, 2020
    travis bickle

    Nice way of starting discourse guy.

    May Allah guide you or otherwise break your back.

    Ameen

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