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  • Ye24 🧢
    May 16, 2020
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    Synopsis

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/money.html?fbclid=IwAR0bk2WPlHO32n4woKZAcSosD1WSGzS4MFdECGF_BzZp7Jjn-lDZrFX4Ch4

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/12/17/the-hidden-cost-of-incarceration?fbclid=IwAR2RuAJ5N3KBg04hDz-oTPufKbaDXoyK0wxYWnRbBOZdtb5Q0DJywkovorY

    https://www.vera.org/downloads/Publications/price-of-prisons-what-incarceration-costs-taxpayers/legacy_downloads/price-of-prisons-updated-version-021914.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3vqxWm1YN2z8fNoRcdckmeT2hSwImoJ6DgSu4QZb7ZD3I1LPsHJBepBzM

    i believe my proposal significantly reduces all these costs

    Holy s*** these numbers are insane

  • May 16, 2020
    Ye24

    Holy s*** these numbers are insane

    yep and its really not doing anything to make us safer

  • May 16, 2020

    In the future, violent offenders will be made to believe they’ve been “cured” through some combination of gene editing and behavioral therapy and re-released into society

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    Honestly nah. You need jails and then rehab facilities.

    Nonviolent crimes should be in rehab facilities that can profit the same way jails do. Depending on the violent crime like assault & battery etc.

    But at some point you're gonna need honesty from the perpetrator. In which case don't throw away jails.

  • May 16, 2020
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    RXHalfDeadCaliban

    Honestly nah. You need jails and then rehab facilities.

    Nonviolent crimes should be in rehab facilities that can profit the same way jails do. Depending on the violent crime like assault & battery etc.

    But at some point you're gonna need honesty from the perpetrator. In which case don't throw away jails.

    not sure why youre trying to make a connection between jails and honesty.

  • May 16, 2020
    ROVO

    So where do you wanna put a serial killer?

    M2’s house

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    @Synopsis Let's just start with non violent offenders all go to rehab facilities... Especially nonviolent d*** offenders.... You're jumping the gun a bit... Too many potential risks in eliminating all prisons... If just one killer gets let out of a rehab facility and kills again that's one too many.

  • Matter fact we should just legalize, tax, and regulate all d****

  • Fundamentals

    Imagine your kids teacher was a reformed pedo

    “No don’t worry he’s reformed now this time it’s different”

    Being a pedo isn't the problem.. It's being a rapist or child molester... Pedos don't choose to be pedophiles.

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    Disagreed.

    Some people are damaged beyond repair and need prison. Treatment is beyond helping them at a certain point and waste of resources/effort, there's psychological damage you can't reverse leading to someone who enjoys killing/hurting people. This also should include rapists/pedophiles.

    That said petty, d****-related crimes, and extent even some burglary/robbery convicted people would benefit from forced/required rehabilitation and educational facilities which house and monitor them strictly. If they fail in these places, then send them to prison.

  • May 16, 2020

    nah i like the idea of you f***ing up in life and going to the gulag, keeps people in order

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    Mel

    Disagreed.

    Some people are damaged beyond repair and need prison. Treatment is beyond helping them at a certain point and waste of resources/effort, there's psychological damage you can't reverse leading to someone who enjoys killing/hurting people. This also should include rapists/pedophiles.

    That said petty, d****-related crimes, and extent even some burglary/robbery convicted people would benefit from forced/required rehabilitation and educational facilities which house and monitor them strictly. If they fail in these places, then send them to prison.

    well first off the problem with this is the cost of maintaining these separate kind of facilities would be even greater.

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    Synopsis

    well first off the problem with this is the cost of maintaining these separate kind of facilities would be even greater.

    Isn't your plan just to not have prisons at all and just rehab?

    That's more expensive than having more rehab facilities but less but still some prisons.

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    Mel

    Isn't your plan just to not have prisons at all and just rehab?

    That's more expensive than having more rehab facilities but less but still some prisons.

    yes, with a greatly reduced population in the facilities, leading to less costs.

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    Synopsis

    yes, with a greatly reduced population in the facilities, leading to less costs.

    In those facilities you'd have a prison anyway even if it wasn't called that. You can't house violent irrational people with regular criminals. So you could not have a separate facility, but regardless you'd need to separate them.

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    Mel

    In those facilities you'd have a prison anyway even if it wasn't called that. You can't house violent irrational people with regular criminals. So you could not have a separate facility, but regardless you'd need to separate them.

    what are "regular criminals"

  • May 16, 2020
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    Synopsis

    what are "regular criminals"

    Just differentiating from repeated violent offenders and especially alienated people with a history of unsuccessful treatment.

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    Mel

    Just differentiating from repeated violent offenders and especially alienated people with a history of unsuccessful treatment.

    so what offenses fall under this label

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    Synopsis

    so what offenses fall under this label

    It's a lot of classification but for example I'd differentiate between someone who murdered their family brutally and someone who shot and killed another person in a d*** related crime or a crime of passion. The latter would deserve a chance at rehabilitation.

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    Mel

    It's a lot of classification but for example I'd differentiate between someone who murdered their family brutally and someone who shot and killed another person in a d*** related crime or a crime of passion. The latter would deserve a chance at rehabilitation.

    right and so would the first.

  • May 16, 2020

    Prison abolition is obviously just one aspect of changing the system.

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    Synopsis

    right and so would the first.

    Nah, not in my view. That is someone beyond saving in my view. Don't have faith in their treatment. But I'm not a mental health professional.

    But you could have a medical expert examine them and give their opinion if rehabilitation would work or not. If they view this possible, then cool try it. If not, they need imprisonment.

  • May 16, 2020

    Also, I support the death penalty (under a better system hypothetically) but I know you prob don't synopsis so I'm just working with that.

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