Shammy

7y

3:30

Y'all niggas trippin

Water Giver

7y

Lol. Most of this is just basic Jazz & regular Electronic aside from the last one. Nothing super crazy about it & does not belong in the same convo with james or the rest of the people in your list imo

Shammy

7y

If we r getting technical it's not jazz at all it's most similar to funk/electronic fusion. But he also does chillwave and he's dabbled in trap. I mentioned Toro because he is very capable of creating densely layered soundscapes that are cohesive and synergistic. His musical acuity is extremely high and he very rarely misses. Tbh if by texture we are talking about granular distorted sounds or just making an evolving tapestry out of instruments Toro is very skilled at both. You can't even sequester him into a genre dudes just a musical genius.

Two dudes ktt love that I just can't understand why. James Blake and Frank ocean. That minimalist s*** is not for me it's very boring imo.

Water Giver

7y

It's basic with nothing special while you're other examples are "outside the box" & very distinct to me. Only Toro stans try to fit him into something higher than he is imo & I don't understand it. Basic sounds & mediocre vocal, & instead of listening to someone that dabbles in them I can just listen to someone that is fully in the genre that does it better.

James Blake isn't super minimal outside of his first album neither is Frank outside of Blonde/Endless lol.

And I discovered James & Frank before i even knew KTT existed back in 2011/2010.
I respect it if you enjoy it, but he isn't some kind of genius or master to me. He's what i would call not exciting for myself.

Shammy

7y

fair enough. i wont pretend to understand your perspective, i mean i like channel orange but most of what toro does is way more advanced than the production on that album and ive always thought frank is a decent but not great vocalist (in contrast to the weeknd who is an amazing vocalist despite his production).

Its one thing to make a cool sound and build a song around that. its another thing to make a song into an adventure, which i think toro consistently does very well. Samantha, his trap work, is not really trap but he uses the core elements of trap to create something that i have yet to hear replicated.

examples

Ill admit i might be wrong in saying toro uses revolutionary sounds but to me and as its been defined itt texture is about how you mix together all of your sounds to create one cohesive picture, not just about trying to find the strangest yet most intriguing and beautiful sounds like arca, who is also amazing but id listen to toro over arca 90% of the time.

Water Giver

7y

Well I wouldn't put Frank into this category (although I do really enjoy his music), I do agree with that. Most of his tracks are usually just one note, only some things are really layered or evolve like Pyramids, Pink Matter, one of my favs Pretty Sweet, but what you described is what I would say about most of James' music.

James Blake, Nicolas Jaar, Fleet Foxes, Beach House, Swans & Arca come to my mind regarding this topic, along with some older people like Scott Walker, the Lift Your Skinny Fists guys or Boards of Canada.

I'll listen to these n tell u what I think then hit u back with some James' songs i feel fit this topic.

Even if we don't switch sides, we can still at least find some enjoyable music or perspective

Shammy

7y

yes plz do post some james blake songs, idk if u saw my last post but im rly happy u challenged me on this one it kinda made my night

Shammy

7y

yes plz do post some james blake songs, idk if u saw my last post but im rly happy u challenged me on this one it kinda made my night

Shammy

7y

yes plz do post some james blake songs, idk if u saw my last post but im rly happy u challenged me on this one it kinda made my night

BillieEilishStan

7y

Been listening to his self-titled and Assume Form albums and I dare to say he may be one of the greatest producers of the 21st century.

Wilheim Scream may be his greatest song ever.

I still think The Colour in Anything is his magnum opus. Never had I ever cried during a listening session until I listened to this beautifully melancholic album.

Any thoughts on this, KTT2?

Shammy

7y

fair enough. i wont pretend to understand your perspective, i mean i like channel orange but most of what toro does is way more advanced than the production on that album and ive always thought frank is a decent but not great vocalist (in contrast to the weeknd who is an amazing vocalist despite his production).

Its one thing to make a cool sound and build a song around that. its another thing to make a song into an adventure, which i think toro consistently does very well. Samantha, his trap work, is not really trap but he uses the core elements of trap to create something that i have yet to hear replicated.

examples

Ill admit i might be wrong in saying toro uses revolutionary sounds but to me and as its been defined itt texture is about how you mix together all of your sounds to create one cohesive picture, not just about trying to find the strangest yet most intriguing and beautiful sounds like arca, who is also amazing but id listen to toro over arca 90% of the time.

UIP

7y

i’ll never understand what y’all like so much about Toro. his first few albums are nice, but after that it’s like he lost direction and hasn’t released anything interesting since imo. and What For? is offensively bad lol. Samantha was ok tho.

SignedTwice

7y

Just aint for you i guess but Boo Boo is very interesting imo

user

7y

Man I wish niggas really wanted to have serious production/lyricism convos on here

“Texture” is your greatest asset as a producer in terms of standing out lol

BRAVE

7y

Yeah your texture so to speak is basically the timbre of your entire soundscape

Aka how everything comes together to a single identity, and how each seperate thing means its own part of your sound

Travis Scott's autotune means one thing, his beats' chords mean another, his drums mean another thing and so on...but when it all comes together it becomes Travis's texture.

Aspiring producers especially need to get the importance of a distinct "texture"

FlipFlop

7y

But imagine talking to someone and saying "Listen to the vibe and texture of this James Blake song"