Jan 30, 2024·1 reply
HURRY UP TWOThe fact Filthy Frank said it is proof people were saying it before him lmao u think he came up with that s***??niggas used to use that as a descriptor for a certain type of rapper as far back as I remember lol never even knew filthy Frank had any association with that term til now
It’s more so that filthy Frank popularized it on the internet
- Jan 30, 2024·edited
2wordsIt doesn’t come from joji idiot. You really referencing this video like the Bible on a term it didn’t invent
I’ll admit when I’m wrong but bro what is up with your hostility on here?
I’ve had a hundred other discussions with you in different threads where we almost always agree
All I’m saying is dudes didn’t use that term the way it’s used now because of that joji video. I’m saying that video lowkey hurt the genre because people started misusing the term and is now why dudes like JID and basically any other rapper that can actually rap gets called that
The people that used it as an insult are the ones getting called that now
Jan 30, 2024
ragedsycokillerI'm a 2009 hip-hop kid. So was lyrical miracle an insult used regularly back in the day then?
Same, so I'm not too sure, but I do slightly remember the term floating around as an insult.
Jan 30, 20242wordsJID sucks. So overrated by nerds
Jan 30, 20242wordsI hear what you’re saying and Kendrick has more content and less attempts at “bars” than most “lyrical miracles”
But also lyrical miracle rappers isn’t really about bars it’s almost an execution thing where it just sounds like wasted words
And even on classic albums like GKMC and TPAB I could point to a few sequences that makes no sense and are just there because they rhyme. He’s one of the worst at wasting words or saying a bunch of nothing, or it just feels that way because it’s supposed to be a concept song and then he randomly says the most abstract s*** ever that barely makes sense in English. It’s an execution thing and the result of listening to too much Eminem
This little quirk actually holds back his songwriting and storytelling sometimes because there’s parts of the story or the points that he makes that aren’t very clear. It makes it harder to interpret. For example as great of a storytelling song as How Much a Dollar Cost is, it lacks the casual immediacy of a BIG or Ice Cube story that allows you to perfectly envision the details in real time: there’s a lot more “huh?” And going back because he’s trying to do the rappity rap stuff while telling a story which makes him word things strangely and sometimes it gets in the way.
It can even make more “statement” type of songs feel more wishy washy and waffling about a topic without ever really driving the point home. Alright is an anthem but wtf is he saying on the verses?
this is why Father Time is a classic
- Jan 30, 2024ragedsycokiller
I'm a 2009 hip-hop kid. So was lyrical miracle an insult used regularly back in the day then?
6:10
Eminem poking fun at the “lyrical, spiritual, miracle” rhyme scheme in 2011. side note he smoked this
Jan 30, 2024There’s really interesting production and flows out there rn
If I’m someone whose really good at lyrics and writing then I’d probably hearing that all the time and would really wanna dive into cool rap composition/beats/production/flow/vocals
Jan 30, 2024·1 replyBlock MutesonPeople conflate the two cause of Mac Lethal and Eminem and Tech N9ne and s***. Now. I don't think people were calling Do or Die and Bone Thugs and Twista lyrical miracle. That was more underground indie conscious rap s***.
Tech N9ne could be put into the second category for the early portion of his career is the funny part Nor-Cal/midwestern gangsta rappers f***ed with him heavy
He was touring and doing songs with rappers like Brotha Lynch hung, Mac dre, T-nutty, and E-40 before he went the complete ICP route,
- Jan 30, 2024bandslabands
Tech N9ne could be put into the second category for the early portion of his career is the funny part Nor-Cal/midwestern gangsta rappers f***ed with him heavy
He was touring and doing songs with rappers like Brotha Lynch hung, Mac dre, T-nutty, and E-40 before he went the complete ICP route,
Kansas City was a big tour stop for West Coast artists. It's where Mac died. Still midwest AF like Minneapolis
- Jan 30, 20242words
I hear what you’re saying and Kendrick has more content and less attempts at “bars” than most “lyrical miracles”
But also lyrical miracle rappers isn’t really about bars it’s almost an execution thing where it just sounds like wasted words
And even on classic albums like GKMC and TPAB I could point to a few sequences that makes no sense and are just there because they rhyme. He’s one of the worst at wasting words or saying a bunch of nothing, or it just feels that way because it’s supposed to be a concept song and then he randomly says the most abstract s*** ever that barely makes sense in English. It’s an execution thing and the result of listening to too much Eminem
This little quirk actually holds back his songwriting and storytelling sometimes because there’s parts of the story or the points that he makes that aren’t very clear. It makes it harder to interpret. For example as great of a storytelling song as How Much a Dollar Cost is, it lacks the casual immediacy of a BIG or Ice Cube story that allows you to perfectly envision the details in real time: there’s a lot more “huh?” And going back because he’s trying to do the rappity rap stuff while telling a story which makes him word things strangely and sometimes it gets in the way.
It can even make more “statement” type of songs feel more wishy washy and waffling about a topic without ever really driving the point home. Alright is an anthem but wtf is he saying on the verses?
Like the user said, some features are showy and awkward, that's forgivable but as far as his own songs, I gotta disagree, way back on s80, he was kidding around way too much I felt but everything from gkmc to now is solid, especially with mm, there no wasted moments. Where he could allow his ego go crazy on an almost perfect song like Feel by referring to himself as Mike with a mic, his recent output/writing is much more focused
- Jan 30, 2024·1 replynotbrock
It’s more so that filthy Frank popularized it on the internet
I guess. Idk anybody that watched that stuff.
- Jan 30, 2024HURRY UP TWO
I guess. Idk anybody that watched that stuff.
I think it spread from the kids who did watch it
