Shin Chan

1y

Bro trying too hard to be different lmao

You can make a certain type of rap and still enjoy ALL forms of rap

2ILL

1y

“Use to be the flyest dudes baring out”

Man…

notbrock

1y

But it’s not

It came from a filthy Frank video making fun of bad internet rappers who thought they were good at rapping. It wasn’t making fun of people like JID at all. Idk how old you are but there was a whole wave of people in the early 2010s that jumped on the Hopsin type s*** talking about “fuck Wayne and Drake, I only like/make real hip hop” that’s who Joji was making fun of

Then people started calling anyone who rhymed a bunch of nonsense lyrical miracles(Eminem, Aesop Rock, Doom) Even tho again that isn’t who the video was making fun of

And now anyone that actually even raps gets called that

ragedsycokiller

1y

The difference between Twista and Busta rapping fast being cool vs the white lyrical miracle rappers of today like NF or Logic smh

WRU

1y

real ones know Earl shouted Duwap Kaine and Kaine made an entire song called Earl Sweatshirt. I got a lot of cool recs for non-lyrical raps from Earl now that I think of it

Noir

1y

I wouldn't call Kendrick a lyrical miracle rapper, at least not on his albums. He has some awkward, showy features, I'll grant that, but that's not really his thing in general. Lyrics matter to him, but that's not what lyrical miracle means.

In my mind, the term comes from a tendency to waste words and rhyme things together for the sake of it when you're not really saying anything at all. It's a rapper drawing attention to their rhymes in lieu of content.

If anything, Kendrick has been criticized for not having complex, layered bars to the extent of a Lupe or Black Thought. His s*** is actually really simple. He's more of a storyteller who adopts broader concepts and metaphors over the course of an album.

Eminem has become more of a lyrical miracle rapper over time as his content has gone to s***. He's not saying anything about anything. Classics like The Way I Am and Cleaning Out My Closet had real substance behind the rhyme schemes and flows though. He was just a great writer who cared about his craft back then.

2ILL

1y

“Use to be the flyest dudes baring out”

Man…

notbrock

1y

But it’s not

It came from a filthy Frank video making fun of bad internet rappers who thought they were good at rapping. It wasn’t making fun of people like JID at all. Idk how old you are but there was a whole wave of people in the early 2010s that jumped on the Hopsin type s*** talking about “fuck Wayne and Drake, I only like/make real hip hop” that’s who Joji was making fun of

Then people started calling anyone who rhymed a bunch of nonsense lyrical miracles(Eminem, Aesop Rock, Doom) Even tho again that isn’t who the video was making fun of

And now anyone that actually even raps gets called that

Oblivion X

1y

That's not where it came from. Rappers were using that term before that video and it was always to make fun of overly wordy rappers not saying anything.

Ironically em himself used it that way in his cypher

"Lyrical miracle, spiritual individual, criminal
Subliminal in your swimming pool"

2words

1y

I hear what you’re saying and Kendrick has more content and less attempts at “bars” than most “lyrical miracles”

But also lyrical miracle rappers isn’t really about bars it’s almost an execution thing where it just sounds like wasted words

And even on classic albums like GKMC and TPAB I could point to a few sequences that makes no sense and are just there because they rhyme. He’s one of the worst at wasting words or saying a bunch of nothing, or it just feels that way because it’s supposed to be a concept song and then he randomly says the most abstract s*** ever that barely makes sense in English. It’s an execution thing and the result of listening to too much Eminem

This little quirk actually holds back his songwriting and storytelling sometimes because there’s parts of the story or the points that he makes that aren’t very clear. It makes it harder to interpret. For example as great of a storytelling song as How Much a Dollar Cost is, it lacks the casual immediacy of a BIG or Ice Cube story that allows you to perfectly envision the details in real time: there’s a lot more “huh?” And going back because he’s trying to do the rappity rap stuff while telling a story which makes him word things strangely and sometimes it gets in the way.

It can even make more “statement” type of songs feel more wishy washy and waffling about a topic without ever really driving the point home. Alright is an anthem but wtf is he saying on the verses?

notbrock

1y

I think most of Kendrick’s story based songs are very well written. I do somewhat agree about How Much A Dollar Cost but he has so many others that you can follow perfectly that I wouldn’t knock him for it

His most “lyrical miracle” moment was on that black hippy remix of “That Part”

That was a little too much

notbrock

1y

But it’s not

It came from a filthy Frank video making fun of bad internet rappers who thought they were good at rapping. It wasn’t making fun of people like JID at all. Idk how old you are but there was a whole wave of people in the early 2010s that jumped on the Hopsin type s*** talking about “fuck Wayne and Drake, I only like/make real hip hop” that’s who Joji was making fun of

Then people started calling anyone who rhymed a bunch of nonsense lyrical miracles(Eminem, Aesop Rock, Doom) Even tho again that isn’t who the video was making fun of

And now anyone that actually even raps gets called that

notbrock

1y

Multiple rappers said “lyrical miracle” but it wasn’t a term anyone got called till that filthy Frank video

notbrock

1y

Multiple rappers said “lyrical miracle” but it wasn’t a term anyone got called till that filthy Frank video

2words

1y

You sound really stupid with this. Yes it was. You just didn’t notice it until that video apparently because you’re exposed to lame s*** and not the full scope of hip hop. Once you bring Joji in a hip hop conversation we’re done here. Keep that on Reddit

Oblivion X

1y

“Lyrical miracle spiritual” rap dudes
Get smacked off their skateboard for not paying rap dues

Pretty sure there's some blogs that also used the term

notbrock

1y

Give me an example of someone using it before that filthy Frank video

Oblivion X

1y

That's not where it came from. Rappers were using that term before that video and it was always to make fun of overly wordy rappers not saying anything.

Ironically em himself used it that way in his cypher

"Lyrical miracle, spiritual individual, criminal
Subliminal in your swimming pool"