decked

5y

i like how you didnt engage with what he said at all

afterimage

5y

^ man really didnt wanna admit I was right so hit me with that stale meme lol

KalamariFromParty

5y

Why do you say "just become rich" as if that's what I said?
You're trying to sarcastically say that I'm trivializing it when I never did. I never said it was easy but it is simple, yea.
If you are an American citizen, chances are you are already rich. Rich is only a relative term. If you make 30k a year you're already in the top 1% of the world's richest people.
So people complaining about other people being richer than them while they have the means to become wealthier themselves... Nah, I don't feel bad.

And what statistical trends are you talking about? We're talking about why things are happening not necessarily talking about what is happening. When you see a statistics showing the rich getting richer and poor people getting "poorer", you see that as supporting evidence for your argument but I'm not even debating the happenings of that. I'm just talking about why those things are happening. So what statistics do you have showing why people are the way they are?

KalamariFromParty

5y

Me too. Bc he's too far gone talking about red vs blue. Even if a red state opens up early how the f*** can you blame that on Trump instead of the actual state itself
Do these states have no responsibility? This is the problem with American politics bc everyone looks at the president as the scapegoat for everything.
Even if those states are "following in Trump footsteps" that's still literally that states fault for choosing to align with a color and a party instead of aligning with what's right and best for its citizens of that state. He's acting like these states are being ran by teenagers that don't know any better and Trump is their father just leading them down a bad path
Nah.. There needs to be more accountability

KalamariFromParty

5y

I didn't say nothing will happen. I said nothing worse will happen.

The poor getting poorer is such a trite argument. Who are these poor people? 19 year old college kids drinking Starbucks and listening to Drake on their Airpods during their lunch break working at Macy's? Yea, sorry, I don't feel bad. The poor have gotten richer all throughout human history, and the same is true today. Less money in your bank account doesn't mean you are poorer.

And you can't judge Trump from the way he has handled the Corona virus situation (well you can sort of judge him for what he's doing rn but not from like January - June). This is the first global pandemic on this scale ever in history. You can not honestly say that any other president that has been president would have handled it better or worse bc there is nothing to compare it to.

Unemployment was at historical lows before Corona virus and will probably return to that next year regardless of who is in office. But it's disingenuous to act like unemployment rn has anything to do with Trump, and also disingenuous to just brush away the 3 years of work he did to get unemployment low before Corona

The way Trump has handled the protests has been horrible. No excuse. But I'd still rather have Trump than Biden, personally.
Kanye > both though

I can't speak on terrorism I'm not educated on it

coltrup

5y

if im understanding correctly, your big pushback rn is that poverty is a result of poor people wasting their time instead of working harder.

there are a lot of issues with this, but the most clear statistical disproval is the productivity-pay gap:

"From 1979 to 2018, net productivity rose 69.6 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 11.6 percent over 39 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years."

Source: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

it shows that "hard work" no longer correlates to improved living conditions, but rather helps to line the pockets of already wealthy execs.

combined with things i already mentioned, like increasingly unaffordable housing and rising healthcare costs, its pretty clear that the explanation for povety/lowered social mobility is NOT "people aren't working hard enough".

KalamariFromParty

5y

I didn't say nothing will happen. I said nothing worse will happen.

The poor getting poorer is such a trite argument. Who are these poor people? 19 year old college kids drinking Starbucks and listening to Drake on their Airpods during their lunch break working at Macy's? Yea, sorry, I don't feel bad. The poor have gotten richer all throughout human history, and the same is true today. Less money in your bank account doesn't mean you are poorer.

And you can't judge Trump from the way he has handled the Corona virus situation (well you can sort of judge him for what he's doing rn but not from like January - June). This is the first global pandemic on this scale ever in history. You can not honestly say that any other president that has been president would have handled it better or worse bc there is nothing to compare it to.

Unemployment was at historical lows before Corona virus and will probably return to that next year regardless of who is in office. But it's disingenuous to act like unemployment rn has anything to do with Trump, and also disingenuous to just brush away the 3 years of work he did to get unemployment low before Corona

The way Trump has handled the protests has been horrible. No excuse. But I'd still rather have Trump than Biden, personally.
Kanye > both though

I can't speak on terrorism I'm not educated on it

decked

5y

my guy, trump is able to shape his bases perception of the virus. obviously im not going to sit here and defend the states, but you cant possibly think that trump didnt end up making it a partisan issue to some degree when he does s*** like this

that was on feb 29

KalamariFromParty

5y

And how do you propose we fix that trend? Taxing the rich even more than we are now? Forcing private businesses to pay "liveable wages" to public citizens?

None of that is going to change things long term. The only fix is education and the internet has already been around for 20+ years. People would rather watch Tik Toks or argue on a forum dedicated to a celebrity than try to figure out how they can move up the social ladder and / or become wealthier. That's the problem with freedom. Freedom allows people to choose to not really do much. And you can't force them too. But now the people who decided to do a lot, are being punished for it. Lol
Maybe social mobility as a whole is getting worse, but I guarantee you there has never been a time in history where you could become very wealthy in a short amount of time as you can today. I could give you hundreds of examples but I think you probably already agree with that statement. If it's true that it is easier to become wealthy in a shorter period of time today than ever before, just bc a lot of people aren't doing it doesn't mean our problem is necessarily with "the rich getting richer". The problem is moreso with the culture and values of the people. A lot of people don't give a f*** about social mobility or being wealthy and don't care to work minimum wage for the rest of their lives. And even the people that are complaining, they are usually not taking advantage of the resources available to them to change their lives for the better for whatever arbitrary reasons they have. But hey, it's a free country so that's their choice
But don't blame the do-ers

Unity

5y

You are just a really stupid person

Synopsis

5y

here we go lol, the myth that education fixes thing lmao.

and we don't tax the rich now. not at all. nor do we tax corporations.

KalamariFromParty

5y

I guarantee I'm smarter than you

KalamariFromParty

5y

The same thing said for the states can be said the for The People

KalamariFromParty

5y

Yes we do tax them. But a lot of them get around taxes through loop holes and such. The same loop holes you could go learn about, start your own business, and do the same thing

Synopsis

5y

here we go lol, the myth that education fixes thing lmao.

and we don't tax the rich now. not at all. nor do we tax corporations.

KalamariFromParty

5y

Yes we do tax them. But a lot of them get around taxes through loop holes and such. The same loop holes you could go learn about, start your own business, and do the same thing

decked

5y

bruh what?

trumps "people" are anti science morons that will believe whatever drivel comes out of trumps mouth

trumps rhetoric is entirely based on antagonizing democrats, so making covid a partisan issue is a problem that will trickle down to the republican states and their inhabitants, who will inevitably want to "stick it to the dems" by not doing something as basic as wearing a mask

the literal bare minimum trump could have done that would have benefited everyone is make s*** like maga face masks to stir up his base and not get into a pissing contest with the cdc and who

KalamariFromParty

5y

Also, is it really a myth that education fixes things? Is education not what literally brought humanity from caves to the modern societies that we have today?

decked

5y

why shouldnt we work towards closing those loopholes and making sure that money stays here?

Synopsis

5y

no, education alone did not do that, not even close really.

KalamariFromParty

5y

I agree with everything you said. But if I see a grown ass man in Walmart not wearing a mask arguing with the employees about his rights, do you think I'm going to blame Trump or blame him? He's responsible for his own actions and even him choosing to believe or align with Trump is his own actions. I'd rather hold him accountable than Trump bc there are millions of him and only 1 Trump

Synopsis

5y

ok lets take your premise to the logical conclusion

what if everyone did this?

KalamariFromParty

5y

Then those loopholes will finally get closed and you all will get what you wanted
You know when there is like a glitch on an app that let's some people get some free money or rewards points or some s***? And then somebody posts about it and everyone starts doing it and then it gets ruined for everybody?
It's the same thing
So then if everyone does it, now you will finally get your fair tax that you want on those rich people all along