I saw someone say it has Family Guy timing and it's absolutely true

The point being modern day evils at least of my country in terms of America is normalized. We don't care or give it attention. Yet it is still a form of hypernationalism. S*** we sending money to Ukraine some of whom are Nazis. To fight Russsian Fascism over the territory. Like it gets infinitely messy. How Africa was chopped up horrific as well. Palestine. The point there being Nazism and Hitler in some ways won because every leader of hyper nationalist countries has some desire to be the world police, "a super power" , United Nations Veto that can Veto war crimes. War crimes done by any nation are unacceptable . S*** the whole point of nuremberg trials, united nations , NATO was to stop things like genocide from happening without repercussions but it just lead to changing who can do it. Then nukes so everyone aimed at each other.

Point being Nazism rebranded in many ways but the evils of imperialism are still there

what’s ur thoughts on him bringing up zionism so many times, without really bringing up palestine

like i know it’s not his method to do some sort of post colonial a***ysis, but i think that’s what frustrates me the most about all this. i worry it will become a lot harder to argue against zionism when you got this hugely influential celebrity saying s*** like this but idk i might be wrong

I think some people are saying simply "those people exist either way" . Same as when Trump who arguably has more influence than Ye got elected. When Trump got elected people fear mongered to infinity . When in reality there is only so much we can do. In the case where he is not president we can say we disagree with the stupid s*** he is saying its not going to change those that do agree with him

he did bring up palestine though, right? or at least one of the other guys in his crew did.

Nah its definitely frustrating. Same as the random post about Women in iran for a moment on twitter. Made me initially think he was going to focus this to essentially the point of the Chappelle special of space jews. We can't use our past trauma to allow us to traumatize or do those same acts upon others. Yet he kind of fell into doing just that from "kidnapping my kids" to etc making us want to feel his pain or hurt people hurt people

Palestine has been brought up but he has only lightly addressed on tucker and alex jones. Both times kind of avoiding saying free palestine or breaking down the conflict in anyway

Just gonna hop in and say that I legit think he's just using it interchangeably with 'Jewish' as a less obviously hateful term, especially when he doesn't seem to criticise Zionism at all, I may be wrong here but I do recall a moment where he says something to the effect of 'and I say Zionist here because I can't say the other thing', before obviously going on to say 'Jewish' a million times anyway

I agree with you that it does a lot to further the notion that being opposed to the Israeli government's actions is inherently anti-semitic and is so far from useful for the pro-Palestine movement

im sorry for lashing out but this stuff does make me emotional, especially when innocent ppl really do have their lives put at risk when this type of s*** is left off the hook, and it just builds and builds up until something really f***ing bad happens, and all we can do is watch and say "oh no" when we saw it coming from a mile away

all the atrocities done in the name of hate in the whole world don't come out of a vaccum, theres always a build-up and people do nothing about it

and thats what so scary about this moment in history, y'know, its like the ghosts of old hatreds are crawling out of the earth again, and we can't let it get to its worst impulses again

i predicted ye would get to this point a while ago, but i didn't expect it so fast

no wonder Ye gravitates to figures like Hitler and the Nazis, it was one man who looked like he had all the power in the world, and fascism has appealing aesthetics, its "politics of the gut", its all about mass proletarian energy being redirected through nationalism, which coincides with the leader being this representation of the entire state, the symbol to worship

you already know my theory lol. deliberate ambiguity.

Can't say free palestine or the trumpers won't love u (which is so weird right? Like that's the antisemitic anti-Mossad crowd lol)

I think part of what we are getting at is the continous its over and consistent jokes in threads about Nazism doesn't make people think you take it seriously either . You cant pretend to take something serious then also be making memes, jokes about nazism and the holocaust consistently and repeatedly. Because you are doing exactly what you claim to be against. Same as continously posting tweets or youtube video essays by like tech9ne and saying "look this is wrong look lets dunk on it". You are unironically spreading the message of the alt right or nazism whether you are saying its wrong or right

Yeah i mean i agree with the root of what you're saying - but i dont think any of it makes praising Nazi governments any less horrible or justifiable or any less of an issue.

like yeah, s*** is f***ed - we exist in a global capitalistic world where rich countries prey on poorer marginalized countries and the poorer countries are stuck in this cycle of working for the richer countries because of how the rich countries exploit and extract (steal) resources. Combine this with a deep-rooted often unconscious belief at this point in North America that we're living in some sort of "post"-colonial world where the imperialistic behaviour of colonialism is over and a thing of the past, and combined that with the fact that 99% of people in North America arnt willing to admit that we live on stolen land and are part of illegitimate countries that robbed Indigenous people through deceit and unfair treaties.... yeah, Nazi's are not the only terrible thing a government has ever done in the history of the world.

Still... nobody should be praising nazis.

But who's he trying to appeal to at all then? He's already alienated the Trump voters with his whole meeting/request to run as VP fiasco, I don't think acceleration via electoralism works when you try and narrow your votership as much as possible

I get what you are saying but this is a forum and we hear to talk to each other. No one here has said "shit I am a Nazi too or I support everything ye is doing or saying" rather part of coping with what he is saying is thinking about where is mind state is and not just giving hate but being ready for where it could go next. While also realizing no matter what we say on this forum or the internet or even in person we can't control him. He is his own human being.

Kanye isn’t thinking that deep about all this. He’s in a delusional state atm.

nah the Trump meeting didn't alienate Trump voters, I don't think. Remember, before 2016 these guys didn't give a s*** about Trump. What's important to them is that the guy they vote for is "their guy" on the inside.

damn u man typing full on novels itt now

Idk how many of y’all follow YouTube drama but if you remember what happened with Etika and his public breakdown before he committed suicide its a lot like Kanye’s current predicament

he pays a team of people to coordinate and strategize his campaign. I promise you, even if he isn't thinking that deep about this, someone else is.

That's what I'm trying to get at, there's no cohesive plan you can map onto his behaviour at all, he's acting on impulse because he's mentally unwell

The people he’s probably paying: Nick, Sneako, Milo were in the dredges of society before this. Not even accepted in right wing circles. They’re just latching onto him for the clout while they can.

even if this is true, I'm still right

there's still someone thinking deeply about the Ye 24 political campaign and coordinating s***.

Praising Nazi governments obviously clearly reprehensible. We have 0 control over Ye. We can say Ye out of control, crazy, stupid, wrong, antisemitic, ignorant, should read, focus on his family a million times its not going to get to his brain.

so again I refocus on what you said in that middle paragraph. His goal he is failing to be clear is to unite us to see our modern day forms of slavery or holocaust this isnt fan fiction he has said modern day slavery and modern day holocaust in abortion. We do have modern day versions of previous horrors partially because we study a history that is given to us again shout out peoples history of america. He blends that s*** with hyper religious beliefs ironically used in slavery to stop slaves or product from committing suicide to string them along But he has the same in appearance goals as the massas.