TALK YO S*** KING

I don't get how people don't understand this point

He was pretty coherent for a change lol

biopolar disorder is not a joke

That makes perfect sense tho lol

Ctg said that he saw ye as a revolutionary and revolutionary didnt need money to have a voice and change the world

Ye said everything is about product u need to own something to have a voice at this point

Ctg said he had a voice when he said george bush doesnt care about black people

Ye said what happens when no one buys his albums anymore, he gonna end up like arsenio hall

It refutes what ctg is saying because how many people in ye position, successful black men, get blackballed for speaking up. Ye was blackballed in 2009 for Taylor swift even though people liked his music and agree with him. Kaepernick was blackballed for having a voice. And now just for speaking his opinion ye gets "cancelled". The point is that if he wasnt relevant no one would even listen to him which is true. But now that he owns something no one can "blackballed" him or stifle his voice

This real tbh. Can’t say I got it then nor do I know especially as someone who is secular, but I respect that Ye seems in a better headspace than a few years ago. He’s someone who always gonna do him and that s*** is tight no matter how you spin it

He mentioned revolutionaries too. They didn't have money.

Kanye was already using his voice before he owned a company.

The Arsenio Hall comparison doesn't make sense because in this case his voice relied on the platform, TV.

When KanYe makes public statements on things what does he do, an interview with some magazine, tweet about it, talk about it in the music, go on TMZ, etc. He doesn't own those platforms, he owns a clothing company. Yet his uses his voice and has been doing so long before he owned anything.

He's also working on using the prison reform system to hire workers

He’s saying people will stop listening because most people only see Ye as a rapper.

Comparing Ye to Malcolm isn’t an equivalent comparison. One dude started a movement from the ground up, the other is allowed to speak so long as he has an audience. That’s the point he’s tryna make. If you take the money away, people don’t care if you have opinions because no one listening. Also

Malcolm was a civil rights leader in the time of an era where racial tension was at the peak in this country. It’s terrible whataboutism and a false equivalence that misses the point entirely

theres a bunch of artists that still have a voice even tho they really only known for music though. Kanye can be wrong about having a voice and still be right about trying to build a brand for himself. And it's not like kanye within the past 7 years has a voice the way hes trying to suggest

So we're only listening to KanYe because he has a lot of money?

Then how did he even get his audience in the first place?

I agree to a point, but tbh I really can't think of anyone who is extremely relevant in their activism who was only an artist. I am assuming you mean after they have had their moment.

When you look at someone like Lupe who is really only known for music who still speaks about black issues (albeit he misses the mark a LOT lol) his impact isn't nearly as spread as someone on top so to speak. You definitely can make waves and only be an artist, but people only listen if you have an audience.

This is the issue that I have with people who criticize Ye though (not you specifically cause I don't think in this instance that is what you are trying to do.) People never make up their mind with him. When he talks about his voice, people are like "lol bro you aren't nearly as relevant as you used to be, fym?" but then when he say some s*** that goes against his best interest, people say "Bro think about all the people YOU INFLUENCE. If you like it or not, you have fans and they are going to listen to you."

Which one is it? Either he doesn't have a voice or he does, can't pick and choose.

Of course hes right hes kanye west, he stays winning

That's the thing, he's now in a position where no one can take is voice away.

A position where one's voice/influence will be heard/felt with nothing any outside force can do about it

I never said people ONLY listen cause he has money. He has relevance because he is an artist and has fans and is given a platform because of all of those things.

He is speaking after the fact. Eventually people stop being popular, it is just how it goes. Because of that, he is tied to his artistry. If he flops and loses fans, he no longer has a voice. He's tryna make it so that no matter what, people HAVE to listen because he has money, which is his main point. It's a lot harder to silence a billionaire than it is an artist.

This has aged very well

Yeah, it seemed pretty straight forward to me.

Celeb = voice, but celebrity status isn't fixed

Billionaire = voice, which is more fixed because you now have the resources to ensure you have a voice.

It's the same s*** with politics. You can buy politicians because you have money. It really isn't a difficult concept at all lol. Money makes the world go around

The issue with Kanye is he consistently does dumb s*** that pisses people off which causes them to make some statements. Killer Mike is politically active and has a voice. KRS One has been doing this for years you just dont hear about it cause 99 percent of kanye fans under the age of 30 dont even know who krs one is. Chuck D. The list goes on. Most of them do it without trying to reach headlines either but the people in hip hop that know dont ever try to make it out to be the way kanye is suggesting. Kanye has a tendency to make people not take him serious. I'll be honest, I don't take anything kanye does serious. Even if he does something good. He always comes off as a self serving narcissist which is what Charlemagne said he evolved into and I agree. T.I. is no longer relevant musically and he has a voice in politics. Hell, Jeezy was talking to Joe Biden. People pay attention to you when you dont have baggage around you to discredit you. It sucks but that's how life works. Your attitude and character matter more than your statements which Kanye doesn't understand at all and honestly, his young ass fans dont because they haven't experienced much in life. Even if Kanye becomes the next steve jobs that doesn't mean people will take him seriously.

And buy overpriced white T-shirts yes.

That is what genius billionaire reality altering geniuses do, is sell you bullshit and lies.

Yeah it’s cause people including Sway, Charla, Envy, etc only saw him as Kanye West the artist. They wanted to know why Yeezus lacked the same grandiose elements MBDTF/Throne had but by this time Kanye was in the space of creating something bigger than his music. Today that finally paid off and we see the end result of what he was saying here. Almost all of Kanye interviews age like fine wine.

In this world, money, ownership, product is power.

An artist with money has more of a platform than an artist without.

An artist who owns his source of money and gets to keep most profits has more of platform than an artist with money via a common record deal (see: Prince)

It's a simple concept.

Lol that's why Lady Gaga and Rihanna sell product owned mostly by themselves now instead of being all about music.

Yall acting like this man cured cancer.

What was his big idea that he accomplished, One that nobody could even fathom?

Spherical housing? Overpriced shoes? Gospel music?

Nah I get you bro, and I definitely think both serve a purpose. The difference is, how much can you do as someoene like KRS One or Killer Mike. Even TI. Like those dudes have to talk with politicians and try to do small things. At the end of the day, you are going to make more of an impact as a billionaire than a dude who only sticks to activism like a lot of people you mentioned.

I'd argue anyone who is a millionaire is pretty self serving to an extent. It is just Ye never has tried to hide it lol. I don't take everything he says serious either because dude does say a lot of s***.

I guess my question for you is, if you are Ye, what would you do? You said it yourself, he is never taken seriously. Ever. It has been like that since day one and that is pretty well documented. I just think as a black person in America, people aren't going to listen to you until you make them listen, especially if you are as outspoken as Kanye.

He still cant. Now if you criticize him he'll tell you he loves you, prolly tug your little peepee a few times and then continue spewing s*** out his mouth about his "big ideas" that arent really that deep. Sounds like seth Rogen during a bender. "What if houses didnt have walls bro" "walls keep us separated maaaan"
Sounds like a f***ing idiot with too much money to me

For someone who likes to talk and try to articulate big ideas he can't debate or attribute valid conversation for s***

I mean he clearly isn't just using his voice for that though. He is trying to create products and s*** for the future. Whether I think he will be successful is a different story, but you can't tell me he isn't putting an honest effort into building his own brand.

Idk bro, I don't wanna count this dude out. He has been the underdog his whole career and time and time again he shows everyone why you shouldn't count him out.