safe 🪩OPJun 16, 2020
EuroNymousit was huge turning point for pop with the larger then life of pop stars started decline (something like artpop rollout was one biggest messes i have ever seen) and start with more personal style already bleeding into indie & pop circles (i think lana was just as influential through video games bringing another star)
but lorde was when it the mainstream changed in a big way
Yup exactly
And agree about Lana she’s definitely similarly responsible for the new pop wave
Jun 16, 2020safeYuh
Very cool
Jun 16, 2020·1 reply
AltarDefinitely agree that pop is dying. The Billies of the world will be successful but I can't see labels jumping head over heels to clone her. What she does is kind of hard to pull off because of how minimalistic it is. Those old pop stars are barely surviving nowadays and are being supported by small but extremely loyal groups of stans; they're making up like 75% of pop album sales because the streaming numbers are pitiful. I think we're going to see Rap on top for the next several years before a challenger even appears. I think the "Pop" genre is as dead as Rock at this point and I don't think it will ever return.
Halsey and Billie are Lana Del Rey's sons
Jun 16, 2020·1 replysafeThis is an interesting point
If pop is bound to the same fate as rock what does that mean for Hip-Hop
And if Hip-Hop dies so to speak what replaces it
Eh decline in commercial popularity doesn't mean the "death" of a genre
I feel like it's more accurate for Pop because, like the name says, it's basically built on being popular and accessible
But for example, Jazz had some of its best/most creative music come after it stopped being the most popular genre. Rap could easily go down the same route, where even if in the future it loses some popularity, there is still great music being made which is supported by hip hop fans if not by the entire general public
- safe 🪩OPJun 16, 2020·1 replyRonin
Eh decline in commercial popularity doesn't mean the "death" of a genre
I feel like it's more accurate for Pop because, like the name says, it's basically built on being popular and accessible
But for example, Jazz had some of its best/most creative music come after it stopped being the most popular genre. Rap could easily go down the same route, where even if in the future it loses some popularity, there is still great music being made which is supported by hip hop fans if not by the entire general public
Definitely
But what replaces rap as the dominant mainstream genre?
Electronic? R&B?
- Jun 16, 2020safe
Definitely
But what replaces rap as the dominant mainstream genre?
Electronic? R&B?
I think you said melodic rap could become its own genre earlier in the thread. I agree with that, but I would actually say rather than r&b becoming dominant, it would more likely be a new genre based on the convergence of melodic rap and rap-influenced r&b
The thing with electronic is because electronic music is defined by the production only, there's a limit to how popular it can become without someone singing over it, which then might leads to it being categorized as electropop or whatever or becoming a new genre like trip hop
All that being said both are definite possibilities of becoming the most popular genre, because both have really interesting music that also has mainstream appeal
Jun 16, 2020What about Lana’s Born To Die? Pop album with a clear hip-hop influence, but done tastefully (Emilie Haynes goat
). I feel like it had impact and influence as well. 
Jun 16, 2020great thread, lorde was def influential but the real death of pop was after purpose with Bieber
After that album there hasn’t been any pop albums like that aside from anomalies like ed shereean and adele
Jun 16, 2020
BD32Even accessible stuff like CRJ doesn't get played in Canada which has strict rules about playing Canadian artists on the airwaves
Radio is way out of touch these days and I don't know why
radio out of touch in every prominent genre, so that'd only make sense
Jun 16, 2020·1 replyor maybe just maybe the Limewire crowd embraced streaming which is why HipHop is dominating music
Jun 16, 2020·2 repliesAntidoteHalsey and Billie are Lana Del Rey's sons
*daughters
- Jun 16, 2020·2 repliesEuroNymous
it was huge turning point for pop with the larger then life of pop stars started decline (something like artpop rollout was one biggest messes i have ever seen) and start with more personal style already bleeding into indie & pop circles (i think lana was just as influential through video games bringing another star)
but lorde was when it the mainstream changed in a big way
I worship Lorde but I dont think she has anything to do with this. Royals was huge on Alternative before going Pop.
Obviously her influence on other artists is undeniable but her impact on the music industry is just like Snow Patrol, Bastille, Kings Of Leon etc... it was just a crossover hit and we have one of these basically every year.
Melodrama debuted at #1 but it was a close call and the entire era was a flop and her tour struggled a lot. With such (undeserved) failures, I dont think she has anything to do with the death of Pop.
imo Pop was never as dominant as we thought... - Jun 16, 2020ovo fun
*daughters
Jun 16, 2020·edited·1 replyI really don’t understand why op puts his name in his titles when we can f***ing see his username
- Jun 16, 2020psychedelic
I worship Lorde but I dont think she has anything to do with this. Royals was huge on Alternative before going Pop.
Obviously her influence on other artists is undeniable but her impact on the music industry is just like Snow Patrol, Bastille, Kings Of Leon etc... it was just a crossover hit and we have one of these basically every year.
Melodrama debuted at #1 but it was a close call and the entire era was a flop and her tour struggled a lot. With such (undeserved) failures, I dont think she has anything to do with the death of Pop.
imo Pop was never as dominant as we thought...i look it at as shift in industry that 2013 - 2014 in general in the mainstream was very messy as it was going from overblown club boom of early 2010s to the more stripped back personal sound that became huge in pop during latter half of 2010s (see bedroom pop for that).
i also think someone like Ariana is still a bigger then life star where she goes through more traditional route of pop route.
- Jun 16, 2020·1 reply
Pop lost most of its buzz in the mainstream when Taylor Swift fumbled Reputation.
Right now Ariana is carrying the entire genre
- safe 🪩OPJun 16, 2020·2 repliesfire
I really don’t understand why op puts his name in his titles when we can f***ing see his username
I do it because I know how s*** gets buried in music sxn
Especially when it’s not gossip or about something popping to users hereI figure if I format my thread titles differently it might encourage more people to click on it than otherwise
- safe 🪩OPJun 16, 2020BD32
Pop lost most of its buzz in the mainstream when Taylor Swift fumbled Reputation.
Right now Ariana is carrying the entire genre
Reputation was so garbage lmao
- safe 🪩OPJun 16, 2020psychedelic
I worship Lorde but I dont think she has anything to do with this. Royals was huge on Alternative before going Pop.
Obviously her influence on other artists is undeniable but her impact on the music industry is just like Snow Patrol, Bastille, Kings Of Leon etc... it was just a crossover hit and we have one of these basically every year.
Melodrama debuted at #1 but it was a close call and the entire era was a flop and her tour struggled a lot. With such (undeserved) failures, I dont think she has anything to do with the death of Pop.
imo Pop was never as dominant as we thought...I think she definitely had an impact
That smoky voice minimalism is definitely distinctive and that’s been a major part of pop music recentlyPop wasn’t crazy dominant but it’s definitely fallen off a cliff over the last 7 years
- Jun 16, 2020·1 reply
one of the biggest songs of the year thus far is a pop song
- safe 🪩OPJun 16, 2020psychedelic
or maybe just maybe the Limewire crowd embraced streaming which is why HipHop is dominating music
This is definitely true
I think pop was going to die anyway but streaming absolutely accelerated it quickly especially given how long it took labels to figure things out w it
- safe 🪩OPJun 16, 2020·1 replyDEL_245
one of the biggest songs of the year thus far is a pop song
Blinding Lights?
- Jun 16, 2020·1 replysafe
I do it because I know how s*** gets buried in music sxn
Especially when it’s not gossip or about something popping to users hereI figure if I format my thread titles differently it might encourage more people to click on it than otherwise
okay props for being honest
- Jun 16, 2020·1 replysafe
Blinding Lights?
yes
and don't start now
- safe 🪩OPJun 16, 2020fire
okay props for being honest
Yea lol its not to flex or anything I just want clicks if I’m gonna put the effort in to write these