No, I never said she wasn't one dimensional

What I said was that not every character in every movie needs to be fully fleshed out and have an arc. Some characters are just auxiliary characters

Actually mentor solo movie would go hard
Ulysses cinematic universe soon

I don't even think that movie is peak, I think it's a 7/10. I'm just pushing back on the "movie is crowded" rhetoric because that movie is 100% about Superman from start to finish

Weak ass clanking action figures together ass writing

idk her killing someone and saying "im not like supermnan" definetely says a lot about her character ngl

So what it called when other genres do it

Yeah they will have to pick up where superman left off at. I dont really see that as writing her in a hole, it allows for more story potential to make her multi dimensional in another project.

We're going to see it with guy in lanterns

You do realize from the beginning I have mentioned :

-Arc

• Personality
  -Agency ( dealing with free will)
• Character traits
• vulnerabilty

from the beginning and most are getting what I am getting at while you choose to focus solely on the word "arc"

When yes eventually when we get there over multiple movies and appearances it will more get to arc but what i mean by arc is feeling like a full character who is there for more than just fan service

stop comparing to the odyssey because you will continue to fail comparing a one off 2 hour movie to THE OPENING OF A CINEMATIC UNIVERSE WHERE SHE IS A MAIN CHARACTER

Iron man 1 war machine felt like a full character to the point you know what they had to replace the actor

Hawkgirl right now they could say "she in the phantom zone" we never see her again and there really wouldnt be that much of an issue.

You comparing a character who was like 10th on billing in Superman to someone who was literally only second to the lead in Iron Man

Still called bad writing

I NEVER SAID EVERY CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE NEEDED A FLESHED OUT ARC OR MOVIE OR TV SHOW.

i said when you shove too many into one movie IT FEEELS TO ME LIKE SOME OF THEM ARE BEING DISSERVICED and SOME OF THEM WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING THEIR OWN S***

Rather than a superman story being inundated with cameos for now two movies including this movie which now isnt a superman movie because they shoving so much in it as if the first movie dint have enough

BROTHER I AM SAYING THERE DOESNT NEED TO BE 10 CHARACTERS ON THE BILLING IN A SUPERMAN MOVIE WHERE YOU SHOULD FOCUS ON SUPERMAN, CLARK KENT, METROPOLIS, LEX LUTHOR , LOIS LANE, KRYPTONIAN STORY

I am saying that you are biting off too much for you to chew and some people just eat up time that could better serve SUPERMAN.

"Shoving so much in it" literally all we know about this movie is the title

BAD WRITING WE CRITIQUE IT TOO

I just gave numerous examples of other films doing the same thing and you had excuses for every single one of them

bro acting like superhero and cbm movies are the Niggas of movies and that they are treated unfairly. Even when I pay the same money as any other movie to see them.

I personally didn’t give a damn about a lot of the characters in the odyssey. Which is something I unfortunately say about a lot of Nolan’s films.

If you want to talk about if any moments of Odyssey are bad writing I have talked about that. Having that many characters in A ONE OFF MOVIE. That isnt a UNIVERSE. That isnt 300 million budget movie where we dont see the characters for 2-5 years at a time is entirely different from what we are taliking about

I know your brain loves making false equivalent comparisons time and time again when you see an opinion you dont like but that doesnt work

i even said I am glad people loved superman 2025. box office did solid. Solid reviews. yall walked out called it goat and peak

but do I think most of you are sitting to rewatch it front to back think it has great writing throughout out? no.

but for you realistically is the odyssey a better film and writing than superman yes or no?

Odyssey even if I dont care who dies ( already know cause read it long ago) everyone feels like a real character for me even travis scott lol

I enjoyed Superman more because I cared about the characters WAY more.

Nolan is in a league of his own when it comes to directing and shooting a film. We all know that.

You changing the goalposts bruh

I never said Superman was a better film than The Odyssey

I'm talking about you complaining the a side character with 5 minutes of screentime in Superman wasn't well written, then ignoring the numerous characters who that could be said the same about in Odyssey

Travis Scott literally says 10 words in the entire movie but somehow he's more fleshed out then a character like Hawkgirl?

that sentence reads "feels like a real character" as in fits with the environment. Isnt just there to tell a joke . He is the start of the movie foreshadowing the entire movie. I asked you for one central moment with hawkgirl or something she says that in any way establishes her character outside of a joke or killing the prime minister ? you didnt answer

What do you know about Travis Scott's character in The Odyssey?