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  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Emery Atreides

    Yeah okay once again.

    Wanting money and being greedy doesn’t automatically mean Jackson is innocent

    You do realize that right?

    But it means the accusations at their core hold
    95% less weight. People dont react like greedy bloodsuckers when their children get molested. They want Justicr

  • Apr 29, 2020
    Emery Atreides

    ok you’re sus

    How so? We have multiple recollections from those who were there, videos of said sleepovers and funnily enough nothing strange was ever reported to have happened.

    It's only those with that financial motive to claim any wrongdoing. 5 children out of the hundreds and thousands that went to Neverland? It does not match with that of a true pedophile.

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    Emery Atreides

    Yeah ok the fact that you labeled it TRUE justice isn’t compelling me to watch the video.

    but for the sake of diving into the subject again to get properly re-aquatinted with all the details of the case, sure.

    I never said siding with Michael is true justice

    You’re entitled to believe what you want but at least watch the video and get perspectives from both sides

    Like I said I’m not here to bully you into believing MJ was innocent but at least watch the video so we can have proper discussion

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    KingOfPop

    Lol who said this? Your own boys don't claim it to be traumatic, in fact the whole narrative of that pedo fantasy movie was that it was a loving relationship between a boy and a man.

    What sort of sick s*** is that? Really, step back, ignore the MJ guilty BS for a second and listen to that. How f***ing bizarre is that.

    This is not a case of it being a Tuesday or a Monday. This is two people who 'loved' Jackson and saw it as a 'romantic relationship' vividly describing abuse in a building that didn't exist and while Jackson was on the other side of the country.

    Facts are facts and their accusations hold ZERO weight. Nothing is true. Every single accuser falls to the same problem.

    The FBI found a p*** magazine in Jackson's stash. So suddenly, the Arvizo's remember Jackson showing them that in order to abuse them. Only oversight? The magazine was published after they'd ever been to Neverland. Sneddon tried to get Gavin to handle the magazine in court before running it for prints. Do you really need to do all that for the world's biggest serial pedophile?

    I'll say it before and I'll say it again, these people found Sadam Hussein in a hole and you're telling me they couldn't find a single shred of evidence to prove Michael Jackson had a sexual interest in children?

    Got it.

    Yes, traumatic

    Are you really gonna stand on your platform and insist that groomed children aren’t going to view something on this caliber as traumatic?

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Emery Atreides

    ok you’re sus

    Come with some evidence then b**** boy

  • Apr 29, 2020
    Sunny Sun
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    I never said siding with Michael is true justice

    You’re entitled to believe what you want but at least watch the video and get perspectives from both sides

    Like I said I’m not here to bully you into believing MJ was innocent but at least watch the video so we can have proper discussion

    I believe this is fair.

    Many individuals sat through an entire 4 hour movie believing every word as if it was Gospel.

    At which point in Leaving Neverland does the director ever say, hold on, there might be more to this? It's all face value.

    Imagine a criminal trial where only the prosecution get their say. That's Leaving Neverland and that's why it's complete pedo fantasy garbage.

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Sunny Sun

    I never said siding with Michael is true justice

    You’re entitled to believe what you want but at least watch the video and get perspectives from both sides

    Like I said I’m not here to bully you into believing MJ was innocent but at least watch the video so we can have proper discussion

    Bruh you just said that in your post lol at least own up to what you’re saying.

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Emery Atreides

    Yes, traumatic

    Are you really gonna stand on your platform and insist that groomed children aren’t going to view something on this caliber as traumatic?

    No, absolutely not.

    But you can not use trauma as a valid excuse for lying.

    The lies go much further past just what happened to them as children, you are aware of this, right?

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    discman

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/g8pve0/the_boy_a_photographic_essay/

    one of the books found at the ranch... jesus save us

    OP has responded to this multiple times

    People aren’t disappearing because you’re posting “evidence”, they’re just done responding to you after you regurgitate the same points that you’ve gotten responses to multiple times, so there’s no point. Once people finally get tired of answering the same questions over and over again you declare that “you’re ignoring evidence.”

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    Emery Atreides

    Bruh you just said that in your post lol at least own up to what you’re saying.

    I know what I said I think you misinterpreted lol

    Regardless watch the video and then watch the neverland documentary so we can have a proper discussion about the facts

  • Apr 29, 2020
    Sinewave

    OP has responded to this multiple times

    People aren’t disappearing because you’re posting “evidence”, they’re just done responding to you after you regurgitate the same points that you’ve gotten responses to multiple times, so there’s no point. Once people finally get tired of answering the same questions over and over again you declare that “you’re ignoring evidence.”

    Thank you, @Sinewave.

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    So The wildest stink pieces and exposal documentaries can b cited as evidence but when the video is called true justice thats crossing the line of bias

    @Emery_2

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    KingOfPop

    No, absolutely not.

    But you can not use trauma as a valid excuse for lying.

    The lies go much further past just what happened to them as children, you are aware of this, right?

    but trauma and how it affects people can be in various different ways.

    and seeing how this was a very specific instance of grooming then yeah, i can easily see the victims misremembering a lot of the events.

    And no that’s not helpful for their case and isn’t solid enough to prove anything.

    but i don’t doubt they experienced something

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    bloom

    But it means the accusations at their core hold
    95% less weight. People dont react like greedy bloodsuckers when their children get molested. They want Justicr

    Bruh their are tons of greedy people in the world that on sight would react with pure greed if their child was molested (especially by a superstar)

    That’s not evidence of insincerity in the case of the victims

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Emery Atreides

    but trauma and how it affects people can be in various different ways.

    and seeing how this was a very specific instance of grooming then yeah, i can easily see the victims misremembering a lot of the events.

    And no that’s not helpful for their case and isn’t solid enough to prove anything.

    but i don’t doubt they experienced something

    You're setting a very dangerous precedent here with your 'believe victims' stance.

    Also, I have beaten the 'grooming' thing into the ground. Jackson was a generous man. He gave Chris Tucker a TV, was he grooming him also?

    Someone got injured on the set of Scream so Michael and Janet showered him with gifts, were they both grooming him?!?

    You are innocent until you are proven guilty, and in my eyes 2 men who can't recite the same story twice do not prove Jackson's guilt (this is also ignoring all the mountains of evidence that prove Jackson's innocence).

    'You don't doubt' is not enough to believe someone did something of that calibre. It's almost like you're talking the accusations too lightly for what they truly are.

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    bloom

    So The wildest stink pieces and exposal documentaries can b cited as evidence but when the video is called true justice thats crossing the line of bias

    @Emery_2

    I’m not calling anything TRUE justice.

    Don’t put words in my mouth

  • Apr 29, 2020
    Emery Atreides

    Bruh their are tons of greedy people in the world that on sight would react with pure greed if their child was molested (especially by a superstar)

    That’s not evidence of insincerity in the case of the victims

    What about 'If I go through with this, I win big time'.

    If you go through with telling the world your son was molested, you win big time?

    Does none of this ring any bells to think - hold on, there's something fishy happening here?

    Tell me who Victor Guttierez is and why he was so sold on Jackson's case.

    If you do not know the true nuances of each investigation it is hard for me to see how you can so easily believe a man's guilt.

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Emery Atreides

    I’m not calling anything TRUE justice.

    Don’t put words in my mouth

    I never called the video true justice, I said if you’re on the side of true justice watch the video

    The video I sent is un biased, it just compiled all the evidence using the statements of Wade & Safechuck

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    KingOfPop

    You're setting a very dangerous precedent here with your 'believe victims' stance.

    Also, I have beaten the 'grooming' thing into the ground. Jackson was a generous man. He gave Chris Tucker a TV, was he grooming him also?

    Someone got injured on the set of Scream so Michael and Janet showered him with gifts, were they both grooming him?!?

    You are innocent until you are proven guilty, and in my eyes 2 men who can't recite the same story twice do not prove Jackson's guilt (this is also ignoring all the mountains of evidence that prove Jackson's innocence).

    'You don't doubt' is not enough to believe someone did something of that calibre. It's almost like you're talking the accusations too lightly for what they truly are.

    You used Chris Tucker getting a TV as a example to disprove my grooming argument

    The precedent i’m setting is to be open minded to their side instead of labeling them liars for misremembering a traumatic event in their life.

  • Apr 29, 2020

    There’s not many things I feel strongly about, I blame my mom and brothers love for Michael Jackson rubbing off on me but when niggas try to joke bout MJ irl I’m either ranting or we never talking again blood

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Sunny Sun

    I never called the video true justice, I said if you’re on the side of true justice watch the video

    The video I sent is un biased, it just compiled all the evidence using the statements of Wade & Safechuck

    So you called it TRUE Justice

    alright ima watch it.

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Made a rhinestone glove after he died kid at my school said “did you make the one he touched little kids with?” Didn’t talk to him for the rest of the schoolyear

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    Emery Atreides

    You used Chris Tucker getting a TV as a example to disprove my grooming argument

    The precedent i’m setting is to be open minded to their side instead of labeling them liars for misremembering a traumatic event in their life.

    It's an example of Jackson's generosity. I can dig out my original post and list hundreds more, if you'd like them.

    I have been open minded. Each accusation is taken as a fresh, it would be ridiculous to go into it believing instantly these men are lying.

    I've followed Wade Robson since 2013. He is lying.

  • Apr 29, 2020
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    sosAMG

    Made a rhinestone glove after he died kid at my school said “did you make the one he touched little kids with?” Didn’t talk to him for the rest of the schoolyear

    Should've given him hands with the glove on tbh

  • Apr 29, 2020
    Emery Atreides

    So you called it TRUE Justice

    alright ima watch it.

    You’re missing the point

    The video isn’t true justice, all literally meant if you cared about True Justice you’d watch an unbiased video filled with factual statements from the words of the alleged victims themselves

    All I’m saying is get both perspectives on the matter so you’re not coming off as biased