Not to most people. Most people would still consider it creepy no matter how you wanna slice it or portray it

And you don’t know what actually happened or how. None of us do or ever will. So probably best to avoid speaking in absolutes.

Wym? His strange relationships with children that he wasn't related too? Sleeping in the same bed as them? That stuff is like impossible to portray without making him look like a complete creep. I mean look at this f***ing video for God's sake:

You’re aware of the context behind the Arvizo footage and subsequent trial?

I stand by what I said - if the facts are presented as they did in court, it would be a good thing

You’d say that if you had no understanding or knowledge of what went down.

I do have understanding and I am thoroughly researched. I can absolutely speak in confidence.

Sir what context could possibly not make this video creepy

Plenty. LWMJ was highly edited - that scene was set up by the director.

Footage left out, deceptive edits.. there’s a lot to learn past a 1:30 YouTube clip.

But, this isn’t a thread for the allegations - it’s a thread for the movie. You can research elsewhere.

I’ve read all your posts on the matter though. I never saw anything to really negate this part of it: many people think the stuff Michael himself admitted to is weird/creepy in and of itself so no amount of research is going to undo or disprove that, even if the allegations by others are false.

This is exactly what I was talking about though, this s*** is going to hang over anything Michael related. You can’t really separate it out and say “this thread isn’t about the allegations” when they will be covered in the film that the thread is about. It is clearly a part of the discussion and will be a big talking point when the film comes out, so it’s very connected

This is why I would rather straight up ignore his personal life and not dramatize it further, it’s just upsetting

If you really the kingofpop you could’ve defended better than this. This is a weak ass defense fam lol you basically copping out.

He’s not wrong about it being heavily edited against Michael despite some of the footage being unfavorable regardless of editing.

Martin Bashir was an awful person

I guess I shouldn't have expected much from someone with the username "KingOfPop" but this is beyond pathetic

Yeah I get that part but editing really isnt enough to defend that

So what do you want? A full detailed breakdown of what went down from 2003/2005?

Forgive me for going over this stuff so many f***ing times every time a new idiot joins the site it gets grating

Brother there is no level of editing that will change the strange body language between Michael and that boy as well as the words that came out of his mouth. Like you're just straight up yapping right now

So what do you want? A full breakdown of 2 years criminal investigation including witnesses evidence and the testimony?

Research is free why do I need to compile it all every time because you f***ing idiots don’t care to do it?

No but the “editing” defense is just so paper thin that it makes you look like you’ve got nothing and are deflecting to all this other s***

Sure. You clearly know nothing of the 2005 trial proceedings surrounding this clip - so call it what you want.

There is absolutely NO context that makes that video not creepy. Seems like you are too much of a fan to see that

Or the opposite - well researched in the matter and not easily led by manipulated footage by a known crook.

thank god he wasn’t

This only works if the entire footage is completely fake. We can see the body language between Michael and the boy and we can hear the weird s*** that Michael says. There is no editing that will manipulate that

HYPED!

... No, it doesn't.

The uncut footage:

This clip is before any abuse took place if you believe the ever shifting timeline in order to bring it to court.

The director of this footage is a fraud who did the same thing to Diana and the family are welfare fraud's who tried the same thing with JC Penny, Chris Tucker, Jay Leno and more.

If you really want to talk pathetic, using 20+ year old manipulated footage with all the above being common, widely available information - it's that.

you could make the buildup to his tour, the death and the fall out a movie

unless it's literally just going to be his most iconic performances and that's all, I'm not sure how one movie would work