Something i genuinely dont think ppl understand is the reproductive clock for any woman ends in early/mid 40s, which means if ur having kids starting in ur 30s youre already over halfway past the reproductive prime. This means that if you want kids u should try to do that in your 20s, or else youll have a narrow time window in which you can realistically have kids

The problem is chances of birth complications skyrocket after the 30 mark. I know this personally as i have a birth defect and i was born when my mom was in her early 40s. Im not saying its unethical to have kids at this point but its certainly not wise IMO. Nature has its ways and we shouldnt try too hard to circumvent it.

The core topic of discussion here is how our society makes it borderline IMPOSSIBLE to actually have kids at the right time. Obv. We all know that in the modern western world, you dont really have a stable career until ATLEAST 30 years old, making childrearing very difficult for younger folks. This is doubly bad because childrearing is an important part of the maturation process that when delayed, can lead to permanent pubescent mentality/immaturity.

I think a lot of the issues of modern society come from us living in unnatural ways. I assume someone will come itt and say "oh so u wanna get a 15 year old pregnant" which is just a reflection of the ignorance people have towards this topic. Really 18-30 is ideal for having kids. But thats still way too early for most career-wise

What do yall think of this topic and if u think there are things we can do as a society to fix this fire off

I don't think having kids before your late 20s is really a good idea at all lol

there's a documentary about this

In the past it was normal. Biologically its completely normal if not preferred. If u had issues you rely on family. Now we r too isolated, mixed with economic insecurity, makes it impossible to reliably have a family early on

Classic post

Yeah and the world is a completely different place than it was 50, 100, 200, 400 years ago etc

I don't necessarily disagree, but making babies earlier in life in a world that is not really conducive (mostly the Western world) to that doesn't make it a good idea without a change in society.

Yes but my point is that this current milleu is dumb because its an affront to the biology of reproduction

You gotta zoom out a bit and think big picture. Biology has reign over us, we are animals, so rejecting biology will only backfire

Thats facts, idk what that change would be, but in general life has become too unstable for the youth, we have no direction, demographic collapse, its all just signs that the system needs change

tbh can’t see myself having kids til like 35 ish lol

One thing i forgot to mention is aging, our view on this subject changed dramatically as lifespans increased, before when 50-60 was max age it made sense to have kids younger, now we live to 70-80+, its natural to wanna push responsibilitirs back, but just be aware that there is a time limit

what would be your sweet spot age wise?

Id say 20-30 is perfect

drake has a song about this

@op
none of this is going to get better, this isn’t a doomer narrative this is just where we are headed

anti-aging d**** & reproductive selection (gene modifications)
science is about to make everything about our biology and how we look at ourselves change i wouldn’t even worry about this any longer lmfao

Having kids in this economy

It the past it was normal for Women
Not for Men

Men would run their money up about the same age that we do now, mid 30s to 40s. Then they would marry an 18-23 year old that could pop out healthy babies and be reasonably happy with your income, and the woman wouldn’t have to work

Feminsm and women in the workforce has ended that way of thinking, women are too independent to rely on a man for money, which creates this problem

They act like there isn’t a correlation man lol

Chat, are we cooked?

idk man, I wanna live my 30s like my 20s but with money so
it's also not only about the money, but the time you're supposed to sacrifice for your kids, we live in a world full of things to do

subsidizing childcare alone would probably solve the problem. nobody having kids when you have to sign up for a daycare before youre even pregnant and the cost of it is a massive chunk of your income.

also f*** that I ain't providing the government with new slaves

Once you have a child, you don't see your life as "sacrificing" for them, they BECOME your life is the best way possible

Would be great and a huge motivator to increase population. Most people I know either elect to not have children to enjoy their life as best as possible or have children and are struggling mightily

well obviously they BECOME that because you have no choice unless you're a heartless mf that will abandon their child at an orphanage

it's just coping with your choices, there's nothing beautiful about it unless we ourselves give them that purpose, but it all depends on us to see it that way, and most of the times this is done as a form of coping with our new reality, we convince ourselves that this is beautiful because we cannot do the opposite anymore, or doing that will affect negatively upon our life

is it true that your perspective changes when you have them?

i've heard a bunch of people who never wanted kids say everything changed when they saw them for the first time