HFM

4y

There’s nothing wrong with wanting military violence enacted on Israel, it’s committed international war crimes and broken UN conventions

KOLLAPS

4y

if the iron dome didnt exist, are those 3,000 rockets justified? this is where im lost

are you saying its justified because theres an iron dome?

SegaDreamFlash

4y

Bro you buggin lmao

It’s not just about Israel getting more support it’s about them niggas literally pulling people out of their homes when they were there first and killing them when they don’t comply. The f*** lmaooo it’s not like if Hamas gets a bunch of guns Israel gonna suddenly be oppressed nigga they started the issue

And as far as that black women comment goes youre wylin too lmao like black women don’t face s*** like domestic abuse, rape, sexism and the whole nine this post wild as s***

HFM

4y

Ngl bro getting tired of repeating myself, not sure how many times I have to say it’s not justified before it sinks in with you, it’s exhausting

It’s not right to kill civilians so it’s not justified (as I’ve said 15 times), but we shouldn’t ignore why Hamas emerged, as terrorist groups always emerge in power vacuums and oppressed states. The discourse should not be framed around ‘Hamas is right’ or ‘Hamas is bad!’, it should be why did Hamas emerge and what needs to be done to correct that cause

KOLLAPS

4y

alright thats fair then

ima do more research on the origins of hamas

KOLLAPS

4y

“israelis are oppresors” is no different than “palestinians are terrorists”

KOLLAPS

4y

because you are the literal reason why antisemitism runs f***ing rampant and will continue to

KOLLAPS

4y

so we shouldnt address and try to fix the problems that lead to black people being more violent?

wtf are u saying

KOLLAPS

4y

if the iron dome didnt exist, are those 3,000 rockets justified? this is where im lost

are you saying its justified because theres an iron dome?

knockknockwhoitis

4y

so if Israel and Hamas eventually end up on equal footing and Hamas ends up more powerful then you will be on Israel's side?

and yes black women face all sorts of discrimination and sexism. and black men, too. but turning everything to being on the side of who is "most oppressed" requires trying to measure and compete over who is most oppressed. and in lots of cases there's no clear cut winner / loser. black men and black women are just one example. black men underperform black women in every economic, incarceration, and health metric

there might be a world where we celebrate the success of black women but instead we have to highlight any sorts of hardships because that is what's valued in a social justice framework, how "oppressed" you are

knockknockwhoitis

4y

this is where woke social justice progressivism collapses. the goal is to always be on the side of the "marginalized" / "oppressed" and against the oppressor. this creates two problems:

1. it turns into all sorts of weird inconsistent "oppression olympics" type stuff. are trans men oppressors by virtue of being men? are black men oppressors by virtue of having "male privilege"? are black women "oppressed" relative to black men despite having better outcomes than black men for life expectancy, income, likeliness to be killed by police, likeliness to be incarcerated, education, etc.

2. if / when the weaker side becomes dominant, do you just then switch to support the other side. like if Hamas suddenly got a bunch of money and funding and weapons, do you suddenly start supporting Israel? just because a side is weaker doesn't mean it's correct

Also I don't think I've found a convincing answer to this question: If Israel is evil and perpetrating genocide AND Israel has far superior weapons to Hamas, then Israel could turn all of Palestine / Gaza into rubble if they wanted to. Why don't they?

KOLLAPS

4y

ive been coming at people who are either claiming at

a) all zionists wish to see palestine become israel/be destroyed

b) justifying hamas’ actions

c) actively championed the idea of abolishing the state of israel

i might be the only zionist itt actually willing to admit that israel participates in genocide against palestinians, but i hoped that my point was pretty clear throughout: i value israeli life as well and thought it was necessary to emphasize that in a thread where i see many people make suggestions (that they either realize or dont) that directly imply the eradication of israel and by violent means if necessary. i am not ok with this.

i understand this is why you brought up the mandela example which i will now go on and learn about (so glooks for putting me on) but i think its very unfair that because i didnt have a direct answer to this comparison all of the sudden my argument falls apart. consistency is important but nothing is as black or white as you initially painted it out to be.

i appreciate the discourse tho being that you actually made points and didnt just call me a zionist shill the whole time

americana

4y

lol did kollaps get banned

rnb sponge

4y

i’d guess muted but idk

americana

4y

damn i was typing my response

i don’t think i wanna entertain them based on their very ableist responses itt

rnb sponge

4y

i feel like i was watching anakin about to turn to the dark side ITT lmao

americana

4y

i felt like i was just about able to make them understand the only way we can bring these people to stand in solidarity and understand the situation that exists is through detente, education, and mutual understanding but it seems like everyone itt is more inclined to dunk on zionists than turn them into people who can help us fight against these oppressive systems

americana

4y

i felt like i was just about able to make them understand the only way we can bring these people to stand in solidarity and understand the situation that exists is through detente, education, and mutual understanding but it seems like everyone itt is more inclined to dunk on zionists than turn them into people who can help us fight against these oppressive systems

KOLLAPS

4y

ive been coming at people who are either claiming at

a) all zionists wish to see palestine become israel/be destroyed

b) justifying hamas’ actions

c) actively championed the idea of abolishing the state of israel

i might be the only zionist itt actually willing to admit that israel participates in genocide against palestinians, but i hoped that my point was pretty clear throughout: i value israeli life as well and thought it was necessary to emphasize that in a thread where i see many people make suggestions (that they either realize or dont) that directly imply the eradication of israel and by violent means if necessary. i am not ok with this.

i understand this is why you brought up the mandela example which i will now go on and learn about (so glooks for putting me on) but i think its very unfair that because i didnt have a direct answer to this comparison all of the sudden my argument falls apart. consistency is important but nothing is as black or white as you initially painted it out to be.

i appreciate the discourse tho being that you actually made points and didnt just call me a zionist shill the whole time

ImAUsernameLike

4y

“i might be the only zionist itt willing to admit that israel participates in genocide against palestinians”

how is this any different from “i might be the only nazi itt willing to admit that germany participates in genocide against the jews” foh

ImAUsernameLike

4y

“i might be the only zionist itt willing to admit that israel participates in genocide against palestinians”

how is this any different from “i might be the only nazi itt willing to admit that germany participates in genocide against the jews” foh