Oct 17, 2020
Oct 17, 2020·1 replyKOLLAPSAt a certain point it becomes natural tho lol
Sure capitalism isn’t our inherent human nature like 2,000 years ago
It is now
No
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replygesufaleg
No
Yes it is
You are born in a capitalist system that predates you by centuries
You will inherently behave according to the norms of the society you live in
Just cuz you’re compassionate towards people in need doesn’t mean you’re inherently willing to drop your entire life and devote it to the well being of your fellow person
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replyKOLLAPS
Yes it is
You are born in a capitalist system that predates you by centuries
You will inherently behave according to the norms of the society you live in
Just cuz you’re compassionate towards people in need doesn’t mean you’re inherently willing to drop your entire life and devote it to the well being of your fellow person
Yes because capitalism has forced us to live or die
It has prioritised the needs of corporations, profit, materialism over others
It’s not that we don’t want to it’s that we CAN’T.
- Oct 17, 2020·3 repliesgesufaleg
Yes because capitalism has forced us to live or die
It has prioritised the needs of corporations, profit, materialism over others
It’s not that we don’t want to it’s that we CAN’T.
And thus you and I specifically have been genetically predisposed to behave as humans would in a capitalist system because of the hundreds of years of evolution and growth that our ancestors have gone through
Obviously the first batch of humans didn’t have capitalism as a natural instinct for them if they didn’t even know fire existed let alone how to communicate through speech
But yes at this point in time if you’re born after the 1600/1700s (which obviously we all were) capitalists tendencies are part of your nature
Even young people who think they’re communists before they even learn about Marx or what communism even is will still participate in the capitalist system without even knowing they’re essentially forced
Human nature is survival and capitalism is how humans have chosen to survive for hundreds of years now
- Oct 18, 2020KOLLAPS
And thus you and I specifically have been genetically predisposed to behave as humans would in a capitalist system because of the hundreds of years of evolution and growth that our ancestors have gone through
Obviously the first batch of humans didn’t have capitalism as a natural instinct for them if they didn’t even know fire existed let alone how to communicate through speech
But yes at this point in time if you’re born after the 1600/1700s (which obviously we all were) capitalists tendencies are part of your nature
Even young people who think they’re communists before they even learn about Marx or what communism even is will still participate in the capitalist system without even knowing they’re essentially forced
Human nature is survival and capitalism is how humans have chosen to survive for hundreds of years now
So you agree
Capitalism has ruined everything
- Oct 18, 2020·2 repliesKOLLAPS
And thus you and I specifically have been genetically predisposed to behave as humans would in a capitalist system because of the hundreds of years of evolution and growth that our ancestors have gone through
Obviously the first batch of humans didn’t have capitalism as a natural instinct for them if they didn’t even know fire existed let alone how to communicate through speech
But yes at this point in time if you’re born after the 1600/1700s (which obviously we all were) capitalists tendencies are part of your nature
Even young people who think they’re communists before they even learn about Marx or what communism even is will still participate in the capitalist system without even knowing they’re essentially forced
Human nature is survival and capitalism is how humans have chosen to survive for hundreds of years now
Human nature does not equal socially constructed tradition
Also evolution does not happen in hundreds of years
Also evolution does not take place through ideasCommunism is how the first beings lived. It is biological and we will return to it. As opposed to capitalism, a social construction - not biological.
- Oct 18, 2020·1 replyspace0cadet
Human nature does not equal socially constructed tradition
Also evolution does not happen in hundreds of years
Also evolution does not take place through ideasCommunism is how the first beings lived. It is biological and we will return to it. As opposed to capitalism, a social construction - not biological.
the first humans were not communists lmao
stop pushing propaganda
- Oct 18, 2020·1 replySnow Tha GOAT
the first humans were not communists lmao
stop pushing propaganda
Yea my bad 100000 AD coincided with the creation of private property and there was currency and states and people sold s*** to each other in their own tribe.
- Oct 18, 2020·edited·1 replyspace0cadet
Yea my bad 100000 AD coincided with the creation of private property and there was currency and states and people sold s*** to each other in their own tribe.
you dont need currency in capitalism. nice strawman
you do realize people bartered back then? and they had private property to
- Oct 18, 2020·1 replySnow Tha GOAT
you dont need currency in capitalism. nice strawman
you do realize people bartered back then? and they had private property to
Personal property and bartering are different than capitalism
- Oct 18, 2020·1 replyspace0cadet
Personal property and bartering are different than capitalism
its different from communism u mean 💀💀
- Oct 18, 2020·1 replySnow Tha GOAT
its different from communism u mean 💀💀
No
Oct 18, 2020·1 replysome french utopian socialists tried this with communities in rural america in the 19th century, and none of them really lasted.
makes for an interesting idea tho, and i think a lot about society would need to change for it to viable, and i don't see those changes happening in the relative short term
- Oct 18, 2020space0cadet
No
how were they communist?
- Oct 18, 2020·1 replyJMC
some french utopian socialists tried this with communities in rural america in the 19th century, and none of them really lasted.
makes for an interesting idea tho, and i think a lot about society would need to change for it to viable, and i don't see those changes happening in the relative short term
communism would never be possible on a large scale. Also the changes needed for that would be revolution which would be very deadly in this day and age with modern technology
- Oct 18, 2020KOLLAPS
And thus you and I specifically have been genetically predisposed to behave as humans would in a capitalist system because of the hundreds of years of evolution and growth that our ancestors have gone through
Obviously the first batch of humans didn’t have capitalism as a natural instinct for them if they didn’t even know fire existed let alone how to communicate through speech
But yes at this point in time if you’re born after the 1600/1700s (which obviously we all were) capitalists tendencies are part of your nature
Even young people who think they’re communists before they even learn about Marx or what communism even is will still participate in the capitalist system without even knowing they’re essentially forced
Human nature is survival and capitalism is how humans have chosen to survive for hundreds of years now
No lmfao
Do you think you and I would be able to communicate through this website if we had stuck with communal living till this day?
Or are you willing to sacrifice not just the last 20 years of hyper rapid technological innovation but the last 200?
- Oct 18, 2020·1 replyspace0cadet
Human nature does not equal socially constructed tradition
Also evolution does not happen in hundreds of years
Also evolution does not take place through ideasCommunism is how the first beings lived. It is biological and we will return to it. As opposed to capitalism, a social construction - not biological.
LMAO no
An unrestricted free market is the closest thing to human nature
Obviously no one wants that though because human nature is quite barbaric and primal
The first beings didn't live among a global communist system of 7 billion people having lived through the fastest advancing technology in the history of existence as we know it
A village of people ensuring they whole group is strong and healthy thousands of years ago is not even close to the equivalent of what ya'll are asking for nor does it make communism an inherit value all 7 billion people are biologically predisposed to having
Human nature is survival so yes it absolutely equals socially constructed traditions that are specifically survivalist traditions
- Oct 18, 2020Snow Tha GOAT
communism would never be possible on a large scale. Also the changes needed for that would be revolution which would be very deadly in this day and age with modern technology
Kill the czar!
Oct 18, 2020·2 repliesKOLLAPSLMAO no
An unrestricted free market is the closest thing to human nature
Obviously no one wants that though because human nature is quite barbaric and primal
The first beings didn't live among a global communist system of 7 billion people having lived through the fastest advancing technology in the history of existence as we know it
A village of people ensuring they whole group is strong and healthy thousands of years ago is not even close to the equivalent of what ya'll are asking for nor does it make communism an inherit value all 7 billion people are biologically predisposed to having
Human nature is survival so yes it absolutely equals socially constructed traditions that are specifically survivalist traditions
i suggest you read elinor ostrums work because she won a nobel prize disproving everything you just said
- Oct 18, 2020·2 repliescoltrup
i suggest you read elinor ostrums work because she won a nobel prize disproving everything you just said
Is it long? I'm a horrible reader
Or does she have any talks?
- Oct 18, 2020coltrup
i suggest you read elinor ostrums work because she won a nobel prize disproving everything you just said
Also disprove is a really strong word
Good argument against sounds a lot more realistic
Oct 18, 2020·1 replyKOLLAPSIs it long? I'm a horrible reader
Or does she have any talks?
Not long, and it’s definitely worth your time
- Oct 18, 2020FKA STUFF
Not long, and it’s definitely worth your time
Word I'll look into it
I've definitely heard of this argument before so maybe it was someone referring to her work
- Oct 18, 2020·1 replyKOLLAPS
Is it long? I'm a horrible reader
Or does she have any talks?
its hard to get a grasp of these kind of topics without getting into the weeds of a book or two.
derek walls book summarizing her key ideas is pretty decent, first chapter can be skipped. ch 2-4, 7, and 10 are the important parts.