just gave you an example of the most prominent white artist to set this precedent since 1997. the bar for entry has been low for awhile so - what are you not understanding?

conversely, if hip hop was still traditional, the sheer amount of conservatism and homophobia in the industry would've kept a plethora of artists from being allowed to flourish. artists who have amplified the genre to its highest heights ever. whether or not the quality of the music has evolved to your liking is one thing, the former is something that can't be denied. label figureheads, legacy acts and us as the audience are to blame and it's been that way for the past three decades. acting like this has become an issue solely with the new generation is both reductive and willfully ignorant.

”conversely, if hip hop was still traditional, the sheer amount of conservatism and homophobia in the industry would've kept a plethora of artists from being allowed to flourish.”

the culture of hip-hop is distinct from what was typically required to be considered “good” in those times, basically every single hip-hop artist that commonly crop up on an all time list were very strong lyricists with crossover ability, i don’t think the bar of entry was ever that low like it is now

even B list artists like Ludacris had to have that ability to be taken seriously

who from this newer generation of artists from the SoundCloud era fit the bill and wouldn’t look out of place next to the JAY’s, Kendrick’s and Nas’ on an all time list? who would you put up there? Future?

i see your overarching point but the conclusion not so much if im being honest, it isn’t trap’s “fault” but it provided a medium for lazy and successful music, that’s more on the people who use it like that versus it as a sound itself obviously

Let's be real, niggas in general aren't prepared or will be able to comprehend that lyricism and contemporary trendy production can go hand to hand. They act like guys such as Public Enemy, Ice Cube, KRS One, Pastor Troy, 8Ball & MJG, Kendrick Lamar didn't exist. A very damn shame

First 12 pages and last 12 pages of this thread feel like 2 different conversations

do people treat music like fast food or are they lame for taking it so seriously

pick one dawg, it can't be both

It only takes 10 songs to shift this whole s***

where did i ever say it’s lame to take music seriously lol

im an experimental/abstract hip-hop hipster guy, i kinda have to lean towards taking music seriously if i want the artists i like to garner any sort of respect

there’s a difference between blatantly exaggerating the qualities of your favorite artist versus realistically assessing it, it’s usually pretty easy to tell the difference

I think you're "blatantly exaggerating" the quality of the s*** you like lol.

like who tf are you bro? you really think only the crap youre into should be taken seriously? at least you're honest that you're an annoying hipster.

and i think you’re blatantly exaggerating the quality of s*** you like

me saying we shouldn’t treat upcoming rappers like they’re little children with training wheels doesn’t translate into “you think only the stuff you like is worth taking seriously?”

you’re doing the same s*** you think im doing but just the opposite way (aka poptimism) but im sure you think this sort of infantilism is somehow you being pro-black or some corny s*** 🥱

youre an annoying american liberal who hates arabs and fellates joe biden, nobody cares what you think is or isnt "pro-black" u hypocrite scumbag

whatever you say man

you're about 2 posts away from them telling you to drink bleach and kill yourself

most users stopped engaging with them weeks ago btw

being called a liberal because i don’t think Yeat was the second coming of Christ is mind boggling doe

"most users"

bro is in a secret group chat with himself where he decided nobody here talks to me

Random but it finally hit me why the West Coast hasn’t been able to ‘assimilate’ to the flow of hiphop over the last however many years: slower grooves define modern hiphop production and flows, and none of the slower old school West Coast production has been modernized the way slower old school Southern production styles have

We’re still only doing the midtempo thing down here, and if not, then we just do the South

Wait what’s goin on

one of these niggas said they don’t wanna listen to a KTT poster because they want the artist they listen to, “to be cooler than me”

Half these niggas they listen to be losers IRL anyway

we need #bars back and idc if that makes me an oldhead

Uzi was always trash

Bro it’s crazy out here

The real answer is that when faced with valid criticism that a person understands they will attempt to downplay what’s being discussed because they still like whatever it is they’re talking about.

Niggas can’t admit that they still f*** with the vultures so they try to make it seem like everyone else is the problem

All ik is that Ian sucks