X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

9mo

”conversely, if hip hop was still traditional, the sheer amount of conservatism and homophobia in the industry would've kept a plethora of artists from being allowed to flourish.”

the culture of hip-hop is distinct from what was typically required to be considered “good” in those times, basically every single hip-hop artist that commonly crop up on an all time list were very strong lyricists with crossover ability, i don’t think the bar of entry was ever that low like it is now

even B list artists like Ludacris had to have that ability to be taken seriously

who from this newer generation of artists from the SoundCloud era fit the bill and wouldn’t look out of place next to the JAY’s, Kendrick’s and Nas’ on an all time list? who would you put up there? Future?

i see your overarching point but the conclusion not so much if im being honest, it isn’t trap’s “fault” but it provided a medium for lazy and successful music, that’s more on the people who use it like that versus it as a sound itself obviously

herald

9mo

lumping in kendrick whose debut album came out in 2011 with those two doesn't make any sense. beyond that - artists like him, mach hommy, billy woods, ka, conway, etc all have post-2015 catalogues that rival the best work of a bygone era. 6 uninspired albums with hit-boy from a washed abuser and pseudo financial advice from a serial predator does nothing for me.

ultimately alladat is besides the point because at the end of the day the only thing people like you see worth in is 'lyricism' and not what the masses consider good music that speaks to them. technical ability is not the sole focus anymore and it means jack s*** especially if whatever bullshit you're rapping doesn't resonate with the culture (re: eminem). and none of it, new or old, mean s*** to me at all if you're just a white opportunist cribbing off of Black artists.

Easylove

9mo

This s***’s been going on since the beginning of popular American music as a commodity. What this tells me is that Trap, etc, is played out and a parody of itself. It’s time for the next movement to take over.

herald

9mo

lumping in kendrick whose debut album came out in 2011 with those two doesn't make any sense. beyond that - artists like him, mach hommy, billy woods, ka, conway, etc all have post-2015 catalogues that rival the best work of a bygone era. 6 uninspired albums with hit-boy from a washed abuser and pseudo financial advice from a serial predator does nothing for me.

ultimately alladat is besides the point because at the end of the day the only thing people like you see worth in is 'lyricism' and not what the masses consider good music that speaks to them. technical ability is not the sole focus anymore and it means jack s*** especially if whatever bullshit you're rapping doesn't resonate with the culture (re: eminem). and none of it, new or old, mean s*** to me at all if you're just a white opportunist cribbing off of Black artists.

magnolias

9mo

6 uninspired albums with hit-boy from a washed abuser and pseudo financial advice from a serial predator does nothing for me.

I know what you are

insertcoolnamehere

9mo

this forum full of s*** cause soon as I posted nani2neat (kid that rapped about guatemala revolution over rage beat on tiktok) none of yall was tryna hear that s***

Keep tryna f***, now she salty
I'm tellin' her Na like it's chemistry

Born schizophrenic my money gon' talk to me
No bеstiality, been had that dog in me
Opps throwing dirt on my name it's like sod to mе

@nikedufflebag said it's impossible to be lyrical over these type of beats and not sound corny which one is it yall?

@Brave

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

9mo

remember in mid 2010s when that whole “mumble rap” thing was at its apex, they excused all of the s***ty lyrics, heavily melodic driven + carried by production s*** as “hip-hop evolves” they were out here batting for Famous Dex dawg

even pop has better gatekeeping it’s so funny, Jojo Siwa been trying to nepo her way into the entire s*** and no one is taking that girl serious

SegaDreamFlash

9mo

You wanna know the most successful psyop? @edumist

Whenever you criticized the music from that 2016-2019 era and people would try to label you as anti black because of it

browser

9mo

This s*** almost depressing

Like the path that we was going on after 2015 if XXL2016 doesnt happen seems like an alternate universe now lmao

KILLA CAM 300

9mo

Who ian and why his linkup with quavious important?

bread

9mo

I was surprised people saw that White Iverson video and were like yeah this is hip hop

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

9mo

cause this site doesn’t wanna support anyone without a massive co-sign lol, @willcherry s*** didn’t even start jumping like that until he got that Complex article on here

bread

9mo

I'm not gonna lie I don't know how people that are sincerely looking for good rap music to listen to look at an album art like what Ian has and are like "oh I am going to make good use of my finite time with ears by listening to this" like I am literally doing nothing but reading this thread and still haven't heard an Ian song because it looks like pressing play on a TikTok meme or some s***