Kanye, Beatles and MJ

Everyone else

They gonna try that for sure but I could see it failing and being just a music nerd thing. Good point though you could be right

Everything seems to be leaning towards modern so it’s just hard to see the new generations really keeping listening to some very old fashioned music, even in its sonics and recording

This is true too. It’s kinda paradoxical cause on one hand she got to that tier but isn’t given it fully because she doesn’t make cool music; on the other hand being uncool is part of why she’s in that tier in the first place

I don’t even care about Taylor but this site is so delusional when it comes to her

This hoe just grossed 1 billion with the FIRST LEG of her tour

Just accept she’s very popular. And no, not just with “white girls” – this is a very US centric take, the rest of the world doesn’t function like this

Did you not see the Elvis movie? That is absolutely not true

Welp, the Beatles have not released an album for 50+ years and newer white artists are still being compared to them and saying they are hugely inspired by them
And many teenage kids go through a Beatles phase at some point

Yeah for sure. In 20-30 years I see that becoming less common though.

The Kanye phase will replace the Beatles phase in that sense

michael jackson buying out the whole grocery store so the nigga can shop by himself is more human/ less manufactured than anything taylor swift has done

Massive Elvis fan but this is not the case. Everybody but his biggest stans had written him off before his miraculous late 60s comeback.

older conservative people didn’t like him because of all the sexual stuff and because of race, etc

but yes, he was very popular in general in the US and globally, not just with American girls

You said only 20 years from now, not right at this present moment. And even if this hypothetical was to happen right now, I’m sure I could bag a million by humming Hey Jude or Here Comes The Sun. Everyone and their moms knows those songs.

The idea that you think Taylor will have a song bigger then the biggest band of all time in twenty years, when The Beatles have been broken up 4x as long as she’s even been a recording artist and yet have people still comparing them when it comes to the “biggest” tells me that the only one who really comes close to their success is MJ in the 80s.

When Taylor starts making music that appeals for more than a large select group of people, then the discussion can be taken seriously.

Nah

Elvis is only celebrated amongst White America

in the 50s before the Hollywood era?

Shake It Off is pretty big fam. I think you could make an argument that’s the most well known song in existence today, at least in a 40 and under demographic

It gets quoted constantly throughout culture

He lost a s***load of cred when he joined the military in 58. Then spent three quarters of the 60s doing garbage movies and soundtracks that nobody liked but the stans. Then he had the best comeback of all time, but that didn't last long and he was pretty uncool in the 70s again.

I won’t sit here and deny Shake It Off is a massive song, but the biggest song of all time in the 40 and under demographic? Cmon man you’re overestimating that songs popularity when there’s a good few songs last decade that could’ve been argued as just as big.

the Kanye phases 50+ years from now is gonna be crazy

that phase starting with the ‘68 comeback until the Hawaii concert in 1973 is legendary

Crine u mad as s***

Just make like Taylor Swift and shake shake shake it off

Not only that, but with The Beatles movies coming out in a few years, you’re about to see a whole new generation of kids exposed to their music and becoming fans, even if only casually.

Agreed

I think it could make the top 5 if you only look at the past 10 years but Old Town Road, God's Plan, Sunflower are bigger if we're look at the numbers and all had a huge social media presence that Shake It Off didn't have even at it's peak. I'd compare it more to Work where it was big on charts but not much outside of that. It's definitely not a phenomenon like Gangnam Style or Uptown Funk was either

Like

Taylor swift is successful, her music is conventionally coherent, she is impactful, she is culturally relevant. There’s no doubt

But the caveat is her cultural product is rooted in the “smol bean” suburbanite white woman who self-victimizes because they’ve somehow blinded themselves to everything in the world except their own satisfactions

On one hand, this cultural demographic is the largest in America rn, it’s also the easiest to make money off of because they have no radical political aspirations and a lot of disposable income so there’s really no need to appeal to any precarious social angles. They also have no identity so they can latch onto a product easily (Stanley cups)

The latter plays into the flip side of this demographic being the most culturally destitute, possibly in the world. So whatever’s being made to cater to them has to be constructed out of whatever barebones identity they possess, which is, once again, jaded high school relationships, self-pity, and ukelele jingles

That s*** is not cool and the day that we stop focusing on the quantity of popularity and the quality, we will realise that Taylor swift is basically americas biggest cultural con artist

Maybe but the Beatles had like 30 Shake It Offs