however, if God does emanate the world, at least from the Abrahamic lens it would have to follow that either the material is fundamental, or the mind/spirit or whatever else has to be fundamental

This can still be understood from a materialist stand point in terms of the Marxist definition of materialism. If "spirit", i.e. "god", generates our material reality in some way, then the fundamental is still the spirit, but that the spirit also fundamentally produced the material world. If anything, it would show that there is a dialectical relationship between the spirit and material reality, in that the former has to create the latter or tends to create the latter for whatever "reason", if "reason" is even the right word here.

the world is unreal as so far as it isn’t eternal—things that we consider material, or properties of something that is material are largely foisted upon the world, versus something that actually inheres within these objects themselves

The scope of Marxist materialism doesn't even go this far, at least in its orthodoxy. Heat death and the explosion of the sun and all of that s*** are coming and everything that's around us won't last forever. A Marxist accepts that as an unchangeable aspect of our physically experienced reality and focuses on what we can control in the material world we inhabit. What's "real" or not at a metaphysical level isn't a concern to Marxism, we just recognize that we are alive, that we are real to ourselves because we are alive, and that we exist as a byproduct of the material world around us, not as something that was delivered down upon Earth from outside of its biosphere. All we can control is our own experiential reality, beyond that scope is just out of our pay grade. Many Marxists are religious, many are atheists, many are agnostic, etc. But Marxism doesn't seek to disprove God one way or another, we're concerned about the here and now and how we can make the world a better place as far as the majority of us physically experience it

No car

I don't know if there's a god but I'm not banking on the afterlife to produce a world for myself and the many that is pleasant to live in while suffering brutally in the only world I can prove actually exists.

I'm tryna feed these kids, stop these wars, purge these capitalists, and protect the environment through building socialism because I love the best aspects of being alive in the "here and now" and am grateful for the opportunity to experience the "here and now" even if I don't get anything more than that once I die. The world isn't beautiful because I experienced its beautiful aspects or even found aspects of it to be beautiful, it's beautiful because we have the capacity to find it beautiful. If we don't protect our material world that we inhabit, which includes protecting one another, then all that beauty and all the ways that that beauty has touched your soul is for nothing. It needs to be preserved because the only reason you were able to experience it to find it beautiful in the first place, is because our material reality was preserved and nurtured over the course of human history. Forsaking that is forsaking your own damn humanity.

Like when Marx referred to religion as the "opiate of the masses", the full quote is actually taken out of context from his work. What he's describing is that humans use religion as a crutch to cope with preventable systemic injustice that exists to privilege an elite minority at the expense of the endemic suffering of the overwhelming majority. Bakunin, and Marx/Engels, also discussed that religion can be used by said elite to pacify the masses from demanding justice at risk of being punished by god for being "violent", while conveniently ignoring the violence these elite used to gain their elite statuses in the first place

Bro does not care if you want to celebrate Christmas lol (Bakunin, who is not a Marxist, is an anti-theist, but he's also a rabid antisemite and kind of a dumbass in general)

”I'm unsure whether there is a larger school of thought behind the terms of Idealism and Materialism, but when I critique/defend one or the other, I'm talking about how they are defined under Marxism”

yeah so, i’ve ran into this clarification before because quite awhile ago i would critique and s*** on materialism on here, and the resident communists on here would get angry because they thought i was dissing their system or whatever—in shorthand idealism and materialism are also metaphysical positions, idealism posits that the world and the mind/consciousness are interconnected (or play a fundamental role in shaping our reality) and/or it also says that consciousness is fundamental, materialism is the polar opposite and states that everything is physical and can be explained within terms of its physical constituents, mechanisms and whatever else, this position typically (or really wholly, honestly) precludes any sort of spirituality or any sort of immateriality obviously

this dichotomy is eons old and has a wealth of literature on it, and it’s arguably something that essentially most philosophers have to grapple with before they even proceed on constructing an ideology and/or framework, but yeah

”This can still be understood from a materialist stand point in terms of the Marxist definition of materialism. If "spirit", i.e. "god", generates our material reality in some way, then the fundamental is still the spirit, but that the spirit also fundamentally produced the material world. If anything, it would show that there is a dialectical relationship between the spirit and material reality, in that the former has to create the latter or tends to create the latter for whatever "reason", if "reason" is even the right word here.”
this sort of uneasy relationship between the immaterial and the material are exemplified within things like the hard problem of consciousness, like if you were to proceed from the materialist standpoint, an idealist would challenge the materialist to explain how something material could produce something like sentience/consciousness, the materialist would challenge the idealist on how the material proceeds from the immaterial etc. s*** is all metaphysical stuff that has been argued about for ages, just about every culture imaginable has grappled with this sort of stuff

”The scope of Marxist materialism doesn't even go this far, at least in its orthodoxy. Heat death and the explosion of the sun and all of that s*** are coming and everything that's around us won't last forever. A Marxist accepts that as an unchangeable aspect of our physically experienced reality and focuses on what we can control in the material world we inhabit. What's "real" or not at a metaphysical level isn't a concern to Marxism, we just recognize that we are alive, that we are real to ourselves because we are alive, and that we exist as a byproduct of the material world around us, not as something that was delivered down upon Earth from outside of its biosphere. All we can control is our own experiential reality, beyond that scope is just out of our pay grade. Many Marxists are religious, many are atheists, many are agnostic, etc. But Marxism doesn't seek to disprove God one way or another, we're concerned about the here and now and how we can make the world a better place as far as the majority of us physically experience it”

i remember reading a quote from a communist i discussed with quite awhile ago, and it was something along the lines of “Philosophers have interpreted the world, the goal is to change it”—so i figured that you wouldn’t really be too interested in the metaphysic sides of the aforementioned terms

however i guess this does come to a fundamental difference in perspective, as i believe that the eternal is fundamental to all of reality, and to neglect it isn’t something that doesn’t really sit well with me, even if obviously the material world has a lot of change it needs to go through for everyone to be comfortable

so i guess the scales of importance are dipped differently within our respective perspectives (albeit, i think im pretty sympathetic to Marxist thought in spite of not having a very good grasp on any politics in the first place)

Feeling like Socrates

Just finished platos republic

it seems he was completely and entirely right

i may have to start identifying as a platonist

I have a bone to pick with Ouroboros. I feel as though the interpretation is far more wholesome that what it actually means. I interpret it as everyone eats themselves. Every offensive action has a toll. For example, every insult you dish out is simply a projection of your insecurity. Every thing you think you aren’t you are. The snake eating itself——> man eating itself. It’s made out to be some s*** about wholeness and eternity but I think it’s more like a piece of wisdom on the topic of mindfulness.

Right about what? Sorry I never read myself but I’m curious now

I think getting into philosophy will make my mental illness worse

Lol it could also make it better though

most marketized philosophy is used as self-help to help u self improve like the current fixation with Nietzsche and the Stoics which can be read shallowly to reflect that like a self help book

otherwise yeah it’s not gonna help philosophy isn’t some remedy that solves all of ones problems, in my experience it just tends to make everything interesting.

if u want self help i recommend reading actual self help books they tend to be good for actual habit building and such when they aren’t put on pedestal

Who yall favorites?

I like rawls and kirkergaard

get into taoism u will either find stability or fully commit to schizophrenia. finding stability is a way more likely outcome tho

word to the goat Zhuangzi!

Jung is also elite and Lacan is fun

Plato will change your life

for the worst

Marx

the composition of an ideal individual, and society

REAL

A recommended reading list in the op would be cool

Nietzche is annoying as hell

good idea actually, you have any off top of your head? ill add some too

met an insane neoplatonist the other day he was telling me conspiracies about this thing called meltology as far as i can tell its about buildings that melted underground or something this is what came up on youtube
youtube.com/hashtag/meltology

they threw him out of the bar so i couldnt follow up with more questions lol