albums like ganger are cool and buzzy and bristle with a sort of energy that is basically absent from utopia. you can think the latter is 'objectively' more impressive or w/e if you'd like but don't be surprised if others like the former more for those reasons.
Ironic and memey
I would say it’s unfair to compare people to Ye, but people do it chronically themselves with Travis… every prime Ye album feels so narratively strong basically as an extension of his life vs a dude who doesn’t address THAT much in his music really
Trav wears the Ye influence on his sleeve
If you a Ye stan it stands out so much too lol even the chants/vocals in the songs (“Yall feel like that?”) just screams Ye lol it’s hard to ignore so naturally people compare/contrast
Over time it’s more clear that Ye was in a class of his own though. He’s at Michael status in rap. His sound is a staple in the game at this point. People are gonna be inspired by his career. Been following him since the first album so it’s hard to recognize that his contributions to music are ubiquitous
I hear some pop music from 2010s that reminds me of Ye now. At the time I didn’t recognize it. Probably bc Ye was still active and I was looking for his next wave bc his sound was always evolving. Now that he’s an og I can look at the different eras and see how different artists/producers were inspired by different Ye albums
Trav himself said he was mainly inspired by the music after the first 3 Ye albums which makes sense, even as far as lyrics go
albums like ganger are cool and buzzy and bristle with a sort of energy that is basically absent from utopia. you can think the latter is 'objectively' more impressive or w/e if you'd like but don't be surprised if others like the former more for those reasons.
ya p much
veeze ain’t even that much of a crazy writer but the bar has been so low in a lot of hip hop albums wordplay wise + production-wise that Ganger comes off as a masterpiece
personally i hadnt heard that much wordplay in an album in years besides underground one-offs like Mach-Hommy, Woods and whoever
I don’t disagree with a lot of his comments tbh.
Album is cool but it’s really lacking some soul
yo somebody on reddit described this album like
Narrator: this is the epidemic, the pantheon, the moment the universe was created, Sparta and babel
40 seconds synth build up
Bon iver (singing): is this life then why are we liviiing
Synth explosions, autotune choire
Travis: I F*** B****ES THAT ARE TWINS BECAUSE IM RICH
I would say it’s unfair to compare people to Ye, but people do it chronically themselves with Travis… every prime Ye album feels so narratively strong basically as an extension of his life vs a dude who doesn’t address THAT much in his music really
He naturally draws that comparison when so much of this album sounds like Kanye cosplay
yo somebody on reddit described this album like
Narrator: this is the epidemic, the pantheon, the moment the universe was created, Sparta and babel
40 seconds synth build up
Bon iver (singing): is this life then why are we liviiing
Synth explosions, autotune choire
Travis: I F*** B****ES THAT ARE TWINS BECAUSE IM RICH
a bunch of nerds that actually got time to waste to rank and catalog something as pointless as the albums that they listen to, most of them of a certain age and a certain demographic (me being one of them) is not a popular consensus. it is opinions of internet music fans, a niche category of listeners that have no bearing on the actual consensus of most music consumers
they circlejerk albums as they seem fit, have preset expectations and notions of what they 'appreciate' in music, and it all stems from circles where it was cool to have an opinion on music, which by default makes it pretentious. I gotta say there are more than a few instances where its less overbearing within RYM itself; once again most older music is not being brigaded and left for the enjoyment of a few who actually found their way to the website outside of content era. nevertheless, these people are not an entity, unlike a very specific group of fans operating within a specific group of genres
Your logic collapses in on itself by the end of the first sentence
1) You want a nerd chronicling music as nerds possess some level of expertise or at least elevated insight into the topic they are nerdy about relative to the average person. If this were not the case, the entire concept of a professional or even freelance "critic" would be null.
2) Pitchfork having the time to catalog albums and review them is no different in material form than random people on the Internet doing it. You are prioritizing the commodification of journalism over the actual written content, which is a fallacious and ignorant way of approaching really anything. If I make a sandwich at my house and I'm a classically trained chef and the food is ultimately good, is it as food of lesser quality because I didn't monetize its creation? Be for real here.
3) "Internet" music fans in 2023 is an irrelevant descriptor writ large because the Internet is omnipresent at this point. This isn't 2005. If you are referring to "more than just casual music fans", this again roots back to my first point, and Pitchfork is comprised of these exact same people but are less trustworthy in their writing due to the profit incentive driving their reviews rather than their true feelings on the project (hence the existence of clickbait)
4) The assumption that it is "pretentious" to have opinions on music is patently idiotic. The entire point of music is to subjectively draw conclusions as to the quality of the project from your perspective, which by default creates an opinion. Humans would have to lack abstract consciousness in order to not form opinions about art. This is such a banal and sophomoric understanding and view on "music opinions" it's kind of embarrassing that you even devolved to this point of "criticism" . What is pretentious however, is creating false hierarchies of what a "good" opinion is, rooting said hierarchy in whether or not the reviewer is making money from their craft or not, as you are doing. The commodification of writing in no way insinuates that commodified writing has any serious advantage over un-commodified writing. Otherwise, doctoral theses would hold less intellectual value than journalistic op-eds, which is ridiculous to assert as a rule.
5) The entire point on "entity" makes absolutely no sense because the premise of RYM is that it is not a monolith, but an aggregator comprised of over 100 thousand people who collectively set narratives and opinions at a scale that blows any critical outlet out of the water and does not have any financial incentive to sensationalize or trivialize their reviews such as Pitchfork has made a habit of doing since day one
Just say you didn't like it and be done with it, this is some of the most insufferable, self-important dreck I've ever read. Embarrassing really.
interesting point re: older albums, actually, and I completely agree.
RYM was ruined by all the Fantano fans going on there and turning it into a weird popularity contest by proxy instead of just cataloging their listening habits, discussing and reviewing albums etc
Are the Fantano fans in the room with us right now?
Mostly joking but this nigga approaches all of his reviews with a tongue in cheek, “how can I get ktt to make a thread” style
Not respectable stuff
He's a hater, but he's a hater because he wants genuine artists with an actual culture to them instead of pop musicians who capitalize on trends. He grew up in Atlanta and watched trap go from local flavor to the Billboard. He's bitter about it and he should be tbh. KTT wants to call rap dead and dogshit but only praise it's most influential and dominant artists. At least these reviews see why
yo somebody on reddit described this album like
Narrator: this is the epidemic, the pantheon, the moment the universe was created, Sparta and babel
40 seconds synth build up
Bon iver (singing): is this life then why are we liviiing
Synth explosions, autotune choire
Travis: I F*** B****ES THAT ARE TWINS BECAUSE IM RICH
it’s grandiose with literally nothing to be grand about lmao
it’s like c*******without jerking off
it’s grandiose with literally nothing to be grand about lmao
it’s like c*******without jerking off
He's a hater, but he's a hater because he wants genuine artists with an actual culture to them instead of pop musicians who capitalize on trends. He grew up in Atlanta and watched trap go from local flavor to the Billboard. He's bitter about it and he should be tbh. KTT wants to call rap dead and dogshit but only praise it's most influential and dominant artists. At least these reviews see why
Dude does a weekly column where he draws attn to relatively below the surface hip hop from different localities but ktt calls him a race traitor for not liking a travis scott album
I agree with their sentiment but not the rating. Ever since like 2020 pitchfork has gone down with their reviews tbh. Unless you’re a non binary lgbtq experimental pop artist you’re not getting a good score. Which sucks they use to be the cool older brother who showed you stuff like Radiohead and pulp fiction for the first time. Now they’re that annoying sister who argues with your dad about politics every chance they have. So take this review with a grain of salt. But utopia still isn’t bnm worthy though.
He's a hater, but he's a hater because he wants genuine artists with an actual culture to them instead of pop musicians who capitalize on trends. He grew up in Atlanta and watched trap go from local flavor to the Billboard. He's bitter about it and he should be tbh. KTT wants to call rap dead and dogshit but only praise it's most influential and dominant artists. At least these reviews see why
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ppl acting like alphonse is above criticism for what @BernieX accurately described as ktt/twitter bait ass reviews is hilarious
idc how many regional hip hop acts he covers, bro writes almost exclusively to get off some of the most unfunny jokes off ever and deflects that by saying “rap journalism should be less serious 🤓”
Trav wears the Ye influence on his sleeve
If you a Ye stan it stands out so much too lol even the chants/vocals in the songs (“Yall feel like that?”) just screams Ye lol it’s hard to ignore so naturally people compare/contrast
Over time it’s more clear that Ye was in a class of his own though. He’s at Michael status in rap. His sound is a staple in the game at this point. People are gonna be inspired by his career. Been following him since the first album so it’s hard to recognize that his contributions to music are ubiquitous
I hear some pop music from 2010s that reminds me of Ye now. At the time I didn’t recognize it. Probably bc Ye was still active and I was looking for his next wave bc his sound was always evolving. Now that he’s an og I can look at the different eras and see how different artists/producers were inspired by different Ye albums
Trav himself said he was mainly inspired by the music after the first 3 Ye albums which makes sense, even as far as lyrics go
that last bit makes so much sense as to what his music is lol , I’ll also say the Ye inspo on this album is mostly tastefully done he’s his own artist but in the grand scheme there’s a huge chasm in terms what they mean to music even in the present tense where ye is mega washed
like start a podcast or a youtube channel if you actually wanna change something instead of grandstanding whilst writing for a white ass publication acting like you’re leading a revolution
yo somebody on reddit described this album like
Narrator: this is the epidemic, the pantheon, the moment the universe was created, Sparta and babel
40 seconds synth build up
Bon iver (singing): is this life then why are we liviiing
Synth explosions, autotune choire
Travis: I F*** B****ES THAT ARE TWINS BECAUSE IM RICH
I miss his suburbs raps. At least those were relatable lol
To be real about this importance of lyrics debate going on, the loudest people are those who believe lyrics aren’t important at all. Not coincidentally the young male millennial-gen Z dominated internet we use. But there’s a whole world of demographics - and generations - that feel the opposite. We really underestimate how important lyrics are to not only long-standing traditions of what constitutes as “good music” but types of groups. These groups exist outside of our bubble…and even within it
Why do we think the so-called Big Three is still…kinda the big three a whole decade and plenty of waves coming and going in between? Just my thoughts tho
exactly