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  • safe 🪩
    Sep 13, 2020
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    This was originally gonna be a long thread but I decided to simplify it.

    What is Playlist Payola?

    Stream farms don't exist. What does exist are editorial playlists like Rap Caviar.

    A 2017 paper found that The major global playlists raise streams for prominent songs substantially. Getting on Today’s Top Hits is worth almost 20 million additional streams, which translates to $116,000 and $163,000 in additional revenue from Spotify alone. Playlists also affect the success of new songs and new artists. Getting on the top of the New Music Friday playlist in the U.S. is worth roughly 14 million streams ($84,000-$117,000). Making the Global Top 50 chart raises streams by about 59,000 per day, or by about 3 million overall. Playlists have important impacts on which songs are heavily streamed.
    nber.org/papers/w24713.pdf

    Getting on these playlists is the easiest way for a label to force a song to be a hit. These have replaced radio.

    How do you know what artists benefit the most?

    I'm using a data tool which tracks the playlist reach of an artist. This finds all the playlists that the artist features on and calculates the number of users following those playlists. For example, a playlist reach of 10m means that that artist features on several playlists and those playlists together are followed by a total of 10m users.

    It also calculates a playlist reach to followers ratio to find how often they feature on playlists compared to the users who follow them on the app. A high value for this indicates they are getting playlisted at a higher rate than is fair for their fanbase which suggests that labels may be paying for placements. I also calculate a similar ratio using monthly listeners in this thread and a popularity index that Spotify has for artists.

    Results

    Top 10 Highest Playlist Reach Relative to Follower Count
    1. 24kGolden - 28.5x (28.5x higher than the average reach:follower ratio)
    2. Jack Harlow - 22.4x
    3. Iann Dior - 14.6x
    4. Swae Lee - 11.1x
    5. Mulatto - 10.7x
    6. Tate Mcrae - 10.5x
    7. The Kid Laroi - 7.3x
    8. Baby Keem - 7.1x
    9. Megan Thee Stallion - 6.9x
    10. Pop Smoke - 4.6x

    Top 10 Highest Playlist Reach Relative to Monthly Listener Count
    1. Freddie Gibbs - 78.4% (78% higher than the average reach:listener ratio)
    2. Iann Dior - 77.3%
    3. Mulatto - 67.6%
    4. Pusha T - 64.6%
    5. Gucci Mane - 64.6%
    6. Young Thug - 64.4%
    7. SZA - 55.0%
    8. Gunna - 54.9%
    9. Lil Baby - 52.0%
    10. Roddy Rich - 50.0%

    Top 30 Averaged by Rank in Each of the above
    1. iann dior
    2. Mulatto
    3. Freddie Gibbs
    4. Gunna
    5. Young Thug
    6. Jack Harlow
    7. Tate Mcrae
    8. Roddy Rich
    9. SZA
    10. Lil Baby
    11. Cordae
    12. Gucci Mane
    13. Machine Gun Kelly
    14. Charli XCX
    15. Doja Cat
    16. Rich the Kid
    17. dvsn
    18. blackbear
    19. Kane Brown
    20. Clairo
    21. 24kGoldn
    22. Pusha T
    23. Lil Mosey
    24. Christina Aguilera
    25. Chris Brown
    26. Dababy
    27. Sia
    28. Pop Smoke
    29. Cardi B
    30. Jason Derulo

    Limitations

    There's a bunch of issues with this obviously. First off I had to manually collect data so I picked artists from a list of popular artists and ones I thought KTT would want to know about. This skews averages and maybe misses some obvious plants.

    Second playlist reach is heavily biased by them having a hit song. For example 24kgoldn has a hit song but a low following count so his playlist reach to following ratio is high. Monthly listeners helps to control for this but the issue with monthly listeners is reverse causality. If the artist has a high playlist reach they will also have a high monthly listener rate. Spotify's popularity index is difficult to understand the methodology and has limited variance which affects results.

  • safe 🪩
    OP
    Sep 13, 2020
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    If you want me to tell you how much an artist is benefitting from playlists quote this and tell me the artist! I have data for around 200 right now and can grab data for any artist you give me

  • safe 🪩
    OP
    Sep 13, 2020
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    also if you have ideas for other measures to assess an artists popularity to then compare playlist reach please let me know!

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    safe

    If you want me to tell you how much an artist is benefitting from playlists quote this and tell me the artist! I have data for around 200 right now and can grab data for any artist you give me

    Drake
    Kendrick
    Cole

    I’m assuming drake is benefiting from it the most since he puts out the most music.

    Interested in Kendrick and Cole 🤔

  • Sep 13, 2020

    I don't think I've heard a song by 24kGolden

  • Sep 13, 2020

    Great thread 👍🏾

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    Also 24kGolden the biggest industry plant ever.

  • Sep 13, 2020

    So Mullato has industry invested in her, I just found about her last week

  • safe 🪩
    OP
    Sep 13, 2020
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    my goal is to set up a website that scrapes this data automatically from Spotify's api and you can just search for an artist and it will tell you how much they are playlisted compared to other artists when weighted for popularity

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    safe

    my goal is to set up a website that scrapes this data automatically from Spotify's api and you can just search for an artist and it will tell you how much they are playlisted compared to other artists when weighted for popularity

    Bro do you have a Twitter ?

  • safe 🪩
    OP
    Sep 13, 2020
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    air

    Bro do you have a Twitter ?

    no sir

  • safe 🪩
    OP
    Sep 13, 2020
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    cut the Spotify popularity index calculations
    they dont past the smell test to me I suspect playlist reach is part of their methodology and is f***ing with the results

    added a top 30 based on average rank in each category

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    safe
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    cut the Spotify popularity index calculations
    they dont past the smell test to me I suspect playlist reach is part of their methodology and is f***ing with the results

    added a top 30 based on average rank in each category

    What platform’s playlisting do you think is most effective in creating or breaking hits, Spotify or AM ?

  • safe 🪩
    OP
    Sep 13, 2020
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    FreeShmoke

    Drake
    Kendrick
    Cole

    I’m assuming drake is benefiting from it the most since he puts out the most music.

    Interested in Kendrick and Cole 🤔

    Drake
    53.6% lower playlist:follow ratio than average
    12.1% higher playlist:monthly listener ratio than average

    J. Cole
    53.5% lower playlist:follow
    19.5% lower playlist:monthly listener than average

    Kendrick
    49.6% lower playlist:follow
    11.4% lower playlist:monthly

    Ranked by average rank for each category within my sample (highest gets more playlisting):
    1. Drake
    2. Kendrick
    3. J. Cole

  • safe 🪩
    OP
    Sep 13, 2020
    air

    What platform’s playlisting do you think is most effective in creating or breaking hits, Spotify or AM ?

    Spotify definitely
    I cant remember the exact figures but I remember reading that around 30% of all streams on Spotify are from editorial playlists compared to something like 10-15% on AM

    AM has a higher user base in the US but they dont use the playlists anywhere near as much so the AM charts are a more organic look at what's being searched for and listened to rather than just presented to the user

  • Sep 13, 2020
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    Clairo

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    who the f*** is mulatto

  • Sep 13, 2020

    In

  • Sep 13, 2020

    """"artists""""

  • damn ian dior exposed

  • Sep 13, 2020
    EuroNymous

    who the f*** is mulatto

  • safe 🪩
    OP
    Sep 13, 2020
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    yea I mentioned it in limitations - having a hit song and being a new artist skews that. the monthly listeners calculation should remove that bias but introduces reverse causality.

    to get a true comparison I want to find a proper data provider to calculate artist popularity that doesnt have these issues but in the meantime by averaging the two of them we can get an acceptable generalized look

    its also worth noting that part of the reason that song is a hit is because it got such strong playlisting

  • Sep 13, 2020
    FreeShmoke

    Also 24kGolden the biggest industry plant ever.

  • Sep 13, 2020
    FreeShmoke

    Also 24kGolden the biggest industry plant ever.

    Gonna be the biggest star out of this years xxl class

  • Sep 13, 2020
    FreeShmoke

    Also 24kGolden the biggest industry plant ever.

    His hit song ain’t even because of him, that’s crazy