gesufaleg

3y

but that’s the problem with this quote, it’s been used by right wing people to demonise anyone doing what they want or being “free.”, you’re not even doing much discussing yourself my guy.

if you’re not white then you know that quotes like these don’t mean s***. born in a civil war went to the uk as a refugee face racism & other things…

there are no real “good times” for majority of society. it’s ridiculous to think that there is.

like i said, this quote is used by those who fantasise “good times” like the 1950s where black people were being lynched.

the turning point meme is that in the 50s strong men created good times and now we’re in the supposed good times but boomers literally f***ed everything up for millennials AND gen z

we will have to work 50x as hard and smarter than them to accumulate the wealth they have now. if you think that’s “good times” then you’re delusional.

frenchpress

3y

and it’s been used by many other ppl in many other circumstances

to act like this is somehow a phrase used by US ppl who think “germany should’ve won” WW2 is ridiculous cus i doubt you’ve even met people who say s*** like that and aren’t stupidly trolling

moreover even if that case was true (and it’s not, it hardly even makes sense that the republicans you allude to would want germany to have won WW2), it’s irrelevant bc the question posed was do u believe it. if you don’t believe it bc of the ppl who you imagine say it (as opposed to believing/not believing due to the content of the phrase itself), thas an acceptable answer, albeit a weird one. but it poisons the well n i think u know that

also it’s not delusional to look at the widespread access that people generally have to luxuries, so much so that necessities aren’t an issue for the average person at all barring sudden and extreme circumstances. i’d say that constitutes a decent time period; perhaps u may disagree, but compared to s*** like the depression the differences are very obvious

gesufaleg

3y

i don’t know if you even use social media but this quote is used majority by these types of people.

especially those who fantasise about WW2

it really doesn’t matter if there are widespread luxuries. if people are working multiple jobs and still living below the poverty line; if politicians are giving money to their wealthy friends instead of those who need it; if doctors are being told to not resuscitate the disabled in times of a pandemic THAT is hard times.

how is it possible a generation who grew up at a time where they could pay very little for education or buy property at 21 can turn around and say these are the good times.

throughout history there haven’t been any real “good times” unless you’re white or wealthy.

frenchpress

3y

1 it isn't, and you posting tweets of people sharing conservative ideas alongside that quote is not the same as them being US citizens saying that germany should've won WW2 -- u pulled that part outta ur ass

2 as said in the OP, the quote is a generalization -- it doesn't apply to every single person. throughout all history and likely all the future, there'll be persons who experience hard times, others who'll experience good times, regardless of what the situation is for the general populace. dis s*** is obviously relative and not meant to describe every individual living person in the US or anywhere else in the world

so yea. if the average person has reliable access to their necessities and access to some luxuries and such a situation is common among the average people, then i'd argue s*** is "good" relative to historical examples of "hard times"; again, u can disagree, but we're talking about the average person and what they experience, not outliers on either end

n maybe u think it's ridiculous to compare current times to s*** like the depression; i get that, and also find it a lil silly. it's not a comparison for the sake of making a huuuuge revelation bout how we should rly appreciate the present and not complain about anything ever again -- it's a comparison for the sake of asking the question "if things look like they'll stay pretty stable for the average person, such that 'hard times' that are truly crushing and defeating don't appear likely to reoccur, how will that affect ppl?" clearly it'd be a good thing for ppl's conditions, im just curious what ppl got in mind for other aspects of how the current average person's pretty decent QOL will affect them, if at all

gesufaleg

3y

can you read? i said ON TIK TOK there are boys who fantasise about WAR. i didn’t say these people were the same.

i know the quote is about generalising. in fact it’s about generalising entire generations and millennials & gen z are not living through “good times”

frenchpress

3y

ig i can read now, and all i can say in response to the tiktok claim is that that s*** shouldn't matter -- the phrase has been used in more contexts than that still. so some s*** gets used by 14 y.o's on tiktok; is that rly important in deciding your view on an idea? bc it shouldn't be, imo

n ok re: generalizing, ur not rly makin arguments just claims at dis point, so we can agree to disagree. i've been consistently using "good times" to refer to dis current period of time in which the general populace has their actual basic human needs readily available to them and a reasonably wide array of casual/pastime/interesting activities at their disposal. it doesn't mean things are perfect nor does it mean that there are no longer any significant things to change or fight for changing. i think you're using the term to refer to a different set of conditions, whatever they may be, and thas ok. i appreciate the convo, less appreciative of the needless meanness, n apologize for originally subbin u by callin ur post bad in response to another user instead of speakin to u directly let's cut it here tho

Nuja

3y

Not even trying to sound like a d*** but the whole "struggle makes you a man" thing is bullshit.

Most of yall who have been around since ktt 1 know a lot of the s*** ive been fighting and going through for years. Hell even in the last year. None of my trials and tribulations have been character building for me. I go through hell every day because of the circumstances life has thrown at me. Making it through things hasn't made me "strong" im tormented by the trauma of a lot of things.

Saying s*** like "hard times creates strong men" is honestly a cop out for how unfair life is for some people. Especially when majority of the people who use quotes like this have been silver spoon and privleged since birth and dont have the right.

gesufaleg

3y

most times i’ve seen this quote is by 14 year olds who want us to be living in ww2 or they say “germany should’ve won”

or it’s been white people in general talking about how this is a weak generation

meanwhile the “good times” that’s supposed to be now is completely garbage considering boomers are ruining everything for us

gesufaleg

3y

most times i’ve seen this quote is by 14 year olds who want us to be living in ww2 or they say “germany should’ve won”

or it’s been white people in general talking about how this is a weak generation

meanwhile the “good times” that’s supposed to be now is completely garbage considering boomers are ruining everything for us

Replica

3y

yea but do you think it's true tho

Twist Your Cap

3y

how you handle it is person dependent

gesufaleg

3y

i don’t think so. learning from mistakes makes one stronger. gaining experiences etc makes people stronger. willing to be open etc etc

tough times in people’s lives (imo) doesn’t really make people all that stronger most of the time.

most of the time it makes you worse

Nuja

3y

Not even trying to sound like a d*** but the whole "struggle makes you a man" thing is bullshit.

Most of yall who have been around since ktt 1 know a lot of the s*** ive been fighting and going through for years. Hell even in the last year. None of my trials and tribulations have been character building for me. I go through hell every day because of the circumstances life has thrown at me. Making it through things hasn't made me "strong" im tormented by the trauma of a lot of things.

Saying s*** like "hard times creates strong men" is honestly a cop out for how unfair life is for some people. Especially when majority of the people who use quotes like this have been silver spoon and privleged since birth and dont have the right.

Nuja

3y

You trying to get into a good school, or getting better at your craft are humble struggles i can appreciate when someone finally reaches their goal. Someone going through absolute hell shouldnt be the deciding factor of what makes them strong or not. Yes its person dependent on how you carry it, but my point is nobody should HAVE to and it shouldn't be glorified. Especially when like i mentioned before, people who usually say things like this have never had any real struggle in their life.