met

4y

If there was a chance I would call him alternative r&b because he's not r&b in the traditional 1990s/2000s sense.

Culture

4y

I hear you bro but I’m not over simplifying anything

Living legends that consistently drop exceptional music are being soft hated on because they don’t sound like Dave Hollister in 2000

Culture

4y

I hear you bro but I’m not over simplifying anything

Living legends that consistently drop exceptional music are being soft hated on because they don’t sound like Dave Hollister in 2000

Zach LaBeam

4y

SZA definitely could and should be like Ariana Grande big

Smacked Voodoo

4y

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So someone like Frank Ocean is R&B then. He certainly sings with soul. Gospel influence and general themes of religion are ever present in his music, and he frequently collaborates with gospel and soulful singers for his albums (when he does collaborate at least).

Yet there are people saying he isn't R&B.

The Weeknd definitely has soul and rhythm in his music. His lyrics/songwriting is often depressing af as well. Is that not what is heard in blues music? And he definitely has a very soulful delivery in most of his music.

Yet there are people saying he isn't R&B.

Just cause niggas decide to sing over some guitars or 80s synthwave don't mean they aren't or don't make R&B music. Cause if y'all say that then that means y'all saying Prince isn't R&B. And you not gonna sit there and tell me the man who made Diamonds & Pearls, Pheremone, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Space, It's Gonna Be Lonely, Do Me Baby, Purple Rain, I Would Die 4 U, The Ballad of Dorothy Parker isn't R&B. Especially when he went on to be a major influence the niggas y'all claim to be "traditional R&B" like a Maxwell, BJ the Chicago Kid, Miguel, Ginuwine, D'Angelo, or even Musiq Soulchild.

Culture

4y

Breh huh

Explain lok

btstuedit

4y

everyone saying frank and weeknd ain’t realised one transitioned to art pop and the other transitioned to regular pop lmao. neither of them niggas make r&b and that genre is dying at the hands of these new niggas who aren’t at least good songwriters for every sza who might not be the strongest vocally but got a lot of personality and sharp songwriting we have a bunch of boring whisper vocalists who sing over the most sterile boring trap influenced beats about ig dms which is why r&b dead and don’t have many superstars like mary j sade usher the-dream etc

Smacked Voodoo

4y

So someone like Frank Ocean is R&B then. He certainly sings with soul. Gospel influence and general themes of religion are ever present in his music, and he frequently collaborates with gospel and soulful singers for his albums (when he does collaborate at least).

Yet there are people saying he isn't R&B.

The Weeknd definitely has soul and rhythm in his music. His lyrics/songwriting is often depressing af as well. Is that not what is heard in blues music? And he definitely has a very soulful delivery in most of his music.

Yet there are people saying he isn't R&B.

Just cause niggas decide to sing over some guitars or 80s synthwave don't mean they aren't or don't make R&B music. Cause if y'all say that then that means y'all saying Prince isn't R&B. And you not gonna sit there and tell me the man who made Diamonds & Pearls, Pheremone, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Space, It's Gonna Be Lonely, Do Me Baby, Purple Rain, I Would Die 4 U, The Ballad of Dorothy Parker isn't R&B. Especially when he went on to be a major influence the niggas y'all claim to be "traditional R&B" like a Maxwell, BJ the Chicago Kid, Miguel, Ginuwine, D'Angelo, or even Musiq Soulchild.

met

4y

Yeah, I spent 30 or so minutes arguing with people about a genre categorizing black ppl, but I still stand by my point I just dislike when people s*** out stupid arguments (not saying u) to discredit people when not keeping the same energy for people that mix genres (Bryson and Jhene)

SHAQUILLE

4y

Not r&b

black hedi slimane

4y

yea nah i feel u

i think it’s just a testament to how much this music means to ppl yk,

these “genres” really a huge part of our culture so misunderstandings can feel personal

even if there’s no superstars, r&b impacting more and more people globally everyday. it’s never been this creative and this popular simultaneously.

rayray

4y

Who was the last person to really bring soul into dis s***

925Andrew

4y

The wild thing about arguments like this is it’s more about how we decide to categorize things in our head, when really we’re all saying the same s*** just in the way we’ve defined stuff

Like one time my friend said money is fake cause it doesn’t have any real value, and I said it’s real cause we’ve given it value. But really it’s the same statement

rayray

4y

Who was the last person to really bring soul into dis s***

btstuedit

4y

everyone saying frank and weeknd ain’t realised one transitioned to art pop and the other transitioned to regular pop lmao. neither of them niggas make r&b and that genre is dying at the hands of these new niggas who aren’t at least good songwriters for every sza who might not be the strongest vocally but got a lot of personality and sharp songwriting we have a bunch of boring whisper vocalists who sing over the most sterile boring trap influenced beats about ig dms which is why r&b dead and don’t have many superstars like mary j sade usher the-dream etc

black hedi slimane

4y

yea bro it’s crazy just need to take a step back and realize it’s all cool

also i got high and cared a whole lot less about the whole thing

rayray

4y

“ we have a bunch of boring whisper vocalists who sing over the most sterile boring trap influenced beats about ig dms which is why r&b dead and don’t have many superstars”

Basically the reason the genre is dead. Some of its good but average/mid 95% of the time and very boring. I can get more emotion out of just listening to melodic rappers

Maartins

4y

EXACTLY

The biggest male face of rnb atm is brent before that daniel caesar before that khalid before that bryson

And none of these niggas can write for s*** just straight boring

provider 4 u

4y

i'm scrolling thru the thread and seeing "summer walker classic" and "jeremih legend" posts.

maybe OP is right. out.