bro like i love this niggas music

i love r&b i just dislike every black artist being lumped under r&b

it’s a radicalized term but it genuinely means something with its own musical conventions

Weeknd definitely revolutionized rnb but still had way more other sounds in his music. The way I see it is that the 2000s wave was starting to die with t pain and Akon and Rihanna and no new sound came out till like 2010s usher, rih, Chris, and that whole sound. But then you have that road bridging with the Kanye to drake to Weeknd to PND road that led us to the place with sza Brent Bryson dvsn Jhené etc

To be fair jhene was on a different wave too but at this point the rnb sound is at least kind of unified

I’m not feeling this thread lol

Niggas mad current R&B doesn’t sound like Glen Lewis or Avant

Sorry fellas

You can’t push a genre that’s now basically people with average singing over trap beats. Theres decent acts in this trap fused RnB s*** but this is why most people go to 90s RnB or just old soul RnB if they wanna hear some s***

@mets my fault for getting too emotional b

in terms of quality? i think thats wrong. mass appeal and success, maybe

I grew up on those people ?

Also yeah the reason I like kiss land and trilogy is cause there’s no other artists doing anything remotely similar

Same with blonde and even further endless and even further all his edm songs, even though they’re a lot less emotion driven than co and blonde, I think sonically the direction was super interesting

The whole package

That’s not it it’s just that not every black singer is an rnb aetist

Like RnB doesn’t have to be huge like it was under the days of dangelo or usher or whover

Genres die, genres get absorbed

It’s changed the landscape for alternative, electronic, pop and hiphop sometimes thats enough

I’m still in shambles over Darnell

wicked games is looked at as a r&bclassic but if it was released by a white artist it would def be seen as an indie rock classic without a doubt.

This is facts honestly. Just goes to show you how lame genres can really be and the box they put people in

Then you should know how The Weeknd isn’t really truly rnb so

Edit: this post was rude sorry

Correct. 2010s RnB was made around drakes sound. I mean the most impactful RnB record of last decade is marvins room

Yeah, I spent 30 or so minutes arguing with people about a genre categorizing black ppl, but I still stand by my point I just dislike when people s*** out stupid arguments (not saying u) to discredit people when not keeping the same energy for people that mix genres (Bryson and Jhene)

I can see that but you could always argue something stems from somewhere

If there was a chance I would call him alternative r&b because he's not r&b in the traditional 1990s/2000s sense.

Y’all sounding type Tyrese right now

listening to outside think i lost

this music goated tho

All I meant was that Bryson tiller and jhene are doing less genre mixing imo than someone like The Weeknd or frank

I hear you bro but I’m not over simplifying anything

Living legends that consistently drop exceptional music are being soft hated on because they don’t sound like Dave Hollister in 2000

So someone like Frank Ocean is R&B then. He certainly sings with soul. Gospel influence and general themes of religion are ever present in his music, and he frequently collaborates with gospel and soulful singers for his albums (when he does collaborate at least).

Yet there are people saying he isn't R&B.

The Weeknd definitely has soul and rhythm in his music. His lyrics/songwriting is often depressing af as well. Is that not what is heard in blues music? And he definitely has a very soulful delivery in most of his music.

Yet there are people saying he isn't R&B.

Just cause niggas decide to sing over some guitars or 80s synthwave don't mean they aren't or don't make R&B music. Cause if y'all say that then that means y'all saying Prince isn't R&B. And you not gonna sit there and tell me the man who made Diamonds & Pearls, Pheremone, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Space, It's Gonna Be Lonely, Do Me Baby, Purple Rain, I Would Die 4 U, The Ballad of Dorothy Parker isn't R&B. Especially when he went on to be a major influence the niggas y'all claim to be "traditional R&B" like a Maxwell, BJ the Chicago Kid, Miguel, Ginuwine, D'Angelo, or even Musiq Soulchild.

everyone saying frank and weeknd ain’t realised one transitioned to art pop and the other transitioned to regular pop lmao. neither of them niggas make r&b and that genre is dying at the hands of these new niggas who aren’t at least good songwriters for every sza who might not be the strongest vocally but got a lot of personality and sharp songwriting we have a bunch of boring whisper vocalists who sing over the most sterile boring trap influenced beats about ig dms which is why r&b dead and don’t have many superstars like mary j sade usher the-dream etc

SZA definitely could and should be like Ariana Grande big