Example: Jay is a better artist than Nas but Nas is a better rapper.

Wtf does that even mean?

Rapper = Hip Hop artist
Producer = Hip Hop artist

Stop disrespecting the genre by separating the two and acting like rapper and artist are too completely different things. It’s corny

I agree

That being said Travis is top 10

Hopsin is a better rapper than Travis Scott but Travis makes the better music

but they literally are

It's almost like rapping is a talent and so is song making

no s*** lol

There’s a different between singers and artists

Jay z isn’t even the type of rapper I’d call an artist if we’re being real. That makes no sense

and lyrical miracle = good lyrics

even though making relatable or catchy lyrics takes effort as well

Jay z became an artist when he made WTT and MCHG. Artists try new things outside their pedigree while rappers stick to rapping

He def is tho

I just don’t see it. As far as a rapper I’ll give credit where credit is due but what leaps of faith or steps towards progression has he really taken to make the leap from top rapper to an artist

Ya’ll just fans of pop if you believe in separating the term

same with singing, you can be a good singer but a s*** artist

you can play guitar amazing and make s*** songs

it's not that deep

Rappers are artists. Anyone separating the terms in hip hop are just covering for a sub par rapper

When people bring up someone being a better artist when the topic is who's the better rapper yeah its dumb, but if someone just prefers the overall music over the other then its not a big deal tbh

It's corny to call things corny honestly. Nobody even understands what that word means now.

This high key true. Like part of kinda gets it, yeah I suppose you do more than rap. But at the same time...what's wrong with being labeled as a rapper? Is there some sort of shame in it? Everybody wanna be called an artist or a rockstar, but getting called a rapper ain't right?

it’s like the difference between Eminem & Lil Pump. Em is clearly the better rapper, but Pump makes better music than Eminem even though they both rap, so Pump is the better artist

When they use the term "artist" in GOAT debates, it's usually about who makes the best bodies of work (Albums).

You can be a mid or bad rapper in terms of pure rapping skill but greater at making albums than a lot of highly skilled rappers.

You can be a pure emcee/traditional rapper (all you do is write lyrics) and still be a better artist than an artsy experimental rapper if you know how to put together better projects.

Dawwwws

Does the little safe space in your head feel threatened?

OP right. Nas is a better rapper and artist than Jay

Rap is a form of art so therefore rappers are artist.

jay makes more listenable music NAS makes music for nerds to a*** yze