Sep 9, 2021
2wordsYes but that’s the thing tho... in that case the process seems to go:
1. Kanye does a mumble reference on the beat
2. A writer writes lyrics to replace the mumbles and records a reference
3. Kanye records the verseAll the bars that ant says sound like Kanye too, the writers know him and tap into his style and personality
For sure, trust I think we’re on the same wave at this point I don’t know if Kanye writes/wrote anything lol. His personality is his career.
Cyhi has spoken on that they watch Ye/study his day to dayI was just trying to decipher which lines Ye does come up with
Sep 9, 2021·1 reply
BrickellBaysideDrake wasn’t “exposed” and that continues to be the wildest narrative that has damaged his career
He very clearly writes a ton of his raps. Credits say so, hes said it, etc.
He doesn’t write 100% of all of his raps but no one does. This isn’t what Kanye does.
I used a wrong word, but some people definetely were upset by it, I remember even I was in a way.
- Sep 9, 2021·1 reply
BabaláwoYea when he first started out rapping people in the industry just wanted him to produce. The same people in the industry still see him as a Producer first, rapper second. Only casual fans who entered into hip hop through Yeezus or whatever, primarily know him for rapping first.
People were talking about him as one of the best rappers out at a point in time, but once everyone started seeing 16 writers credited for one song, all that talk died.
As far as Drake, that doesn’t have any baring on Ye’s use of writers. He was using them before Drake ever hit the scene lol. I think everyone who performs at a Drake, or Kanye level needs people around them contributing to maintain at that level.
Look at a producer like Pharrell for example. He’s been known to help & make people adjust their flow, cadence, and delivery when they’re rapping on his beats.
There are even reference tracks for Jay Z out there if you search. Kanye has a reference track for Lucifer which is one of Hov’s best songs on The Black Album. So if the goat has people who make reference tracks for him, that should tell you it’s a more common practice than you’d like to think in the genre of hip hop/rap
I think there are many factors which contributed to my weird attitude towards Kanye's creative process. I think it's all boils down to the fact that Kanye's output took a dive since Yeezus in terms of flow/rapping, and it correlated with more and more demos/reference tracks and people admitting that they wrote the whole songs. We wouldn't have this thread for sure if Kanye kept on releasing things like Yeezus and MBDTF, but we are here right now and some people are praising Ye for being like Quincy Jones, when to me it looks like he is just lazy.
Sep 9, 2021Pokerking4128Maybe it's not even from that interview but I remember CyHi sad something that for me sounds like bullshit.
He said that they are now at the Grammies competing with a lot of genres for an album of the year award, and that's why they have to use the same tactics that Adele and Beyonce use. For me that argument doesn't sit right as it automatically makes all the music that they make less personal, it's not about what Ye feels etc. It's about can we win over Adele.Yes it’s this interview,
Go to 46:16 of the interview.From a business stand point it makes perfect sense.
They’re in the music BUSINESS.
It’s “Konman Entertainment” that he records this music for, not himself. None of the cheques from shows or publishing royalties or album sales say Kanye West on it. (Unless he has Kanye West LLC)
- Sep 9, 2021Pokerking4128
When Drake was exposed for not writing some tracks on IYRTITL, people were sad, I wasn't hearing that Quentin was coming up with flows etc.
Now, everyday some new reference tor Ye emerges, and people are not sad, but some even excited because they know some dude from completely another genre who did the same thing.With drake everyone thought he was writing his own s*** because of how talented he is so it came as a shock, with Ye... we knew Rhymefest wrote Jesus Walks, Cyhi didn’t even exist yet, I guess what also made it even more acceptable is that Ye was a producer who was sampling a bunch of artist’s songs: using their vocals, guitar riffs, piano solo, bass lick etc. So we accepted that he takes elements from different places that inspire him and puts it all together like a collage made of magazine clippings.
Peep the Lox’s take on this
- Sep 9, 20212words
Idk but I know for a fact it wasn’t Kanye. Probably Cyhi
Ok truth is I wrote that verse for him...
- Sep 9, 2021
FriesThis is a comedy gold post
My bad, didn’t mean to call you out like that homie
- Sep 9, 2021Pokerking4128
I used a wrong word, but some people definetely were upset by it, I remember even I was in a way.
Nah they definitely were for sure. It was a pretty big deal.
But the false narrative from that (like ghost writing or that he doesn't write) was literally crazy and damaged his legacy beyond repair imo
Like Drake has explicitly said what happened with those reference tracks, has said numerous of times that he writes his s***, has tons of records where he's the only writer even listed...and non of it matters because no one has a clue on the writing process within the industry.
- Sep 9, 2021
FlapheadIn all honesty, I don't come to a Kanye album for the raps anymore. If anything, they've consistently been my least favorite part of the music for the past several albums - including Yeezus, which is my top Ye album. It's the orchestration that's uniquely Ye and has been since the beginning. No one could make Donda besides Kanye. It's greater than the sum of its parts.
Jail doesn't work as just Kanye's vocals over E*Vax's guitar, Francis/Dem Jointz's melodies/lyrics, Jay's verse, Mike Dean's synths/drums, etc. It works as the sum of it all. It's the Brian Wilson tradition of playing the studio in the modern era.
Honestly Ye’s music hits you differently on a frequency level...
Uber driver told me I had the most beautiful taste in music when I dropped DONDA on the aux last night.
- Sep 9, 2021·1 replyBIGSTEPPERDISNEY
Brain damage
If you think Kanye doesn’t do s*** on his albums you dumb dumb. No one can create the final product like him or cook up masterpieces like he can.
Also why y’all so quick to forget his 2018 era where he wrote all his bars on KSG & produces so many tracks on his own
Streaming Era Syndrome(SES a.k.a ADD)
Niggas already looking for a DONDA 2 how they supposed to remember That Ye gave us KSG & YE back to back?
- Sep 9, 2021Pokerking4128
I think there are many factors which contributed to my weird attitude towards Kanye's creative process. I think it's all boils down to the fact that Kanye's output took a dive since Yeezus in terms of flow/rapping, and it correlated with more and more demos/reference tracks and people admitting that they wrote the whole songs. We wouldn't have this thread for sure if Kanye kept on releasing things like Yeezus and MBDTF, but we are here right now and some people are praising Ye for being like Quincy Jones, when to me it looks like he is just lazy.
We'll never know for sure, but it's pretty hard to quibble with what you're saying when he himself is crediting guys like Paradise for writing entire songs for him, and John Legend mentioning years ago...that Kanye stopped producing years ago...
- Sep 9, 2021MCMIC13
Streaming Era Syndrome(SES a.k.a ADD)
Niggas already looking for a DONDA 2 how they supposed to remember That Ye gave us KSG & YE back to back?
well put, you got me - Sep 9, 20212words
Yes but that’s the thing tho... in that case the process seems to go:
1. Kanye does a mumble reference on the beat
2. A writer writes lyrics to replace the mumbles and records a reference
3. Kanye records the verseAll the bars that ant says sound like Kanye too, the writers know him and tap into his style and personality
Thats what cyhi was saying in the interview I posted, I think everyone itt should check it out
- Sep 9, 2021·1 replyBIGSTEPPERDISNEY
Brain damage
If you think Kanye doesn’t do s*** on his albums you dumb dumb. No one can create the final product like him or cook up masterpieces like he can.
Also why y’all so quick to forget his 2018 era where he wrote all his bars on KSG & produces so many tracks on his own
I didn't say he didn't do s*** on his albums.
It's at best murky, to know how much he's writing and producing these days. Like I said above, John Legend publicly said ye hasn't produced s*** in years and Kanye himself admitted to guys writing entire songs for him.
So while you're right in that he definitely plays a hand as a producer as far as what the final product ends up being, he's much more hands off than a lot of rappers that he's compared to.
- Sep 9, 20212words
Yes but that’s the thing tho... in that case the process seems to go:
1. Kanye does a mumble reference on the beat
2. A writer writes lyrics to replace the mumbles and records a reference
3. Kanye records the verseAll the bars that ant says sound like Kanye too, the writers know him and tap into his style and personality
Kanye has done that for a while even when he wrote for himself all the time
- Sep 9, 2021·1 reply
I don’t remember where I heard but Wu Tang Clan members all contribute to each others verses when they get together in the studio
- Sep 9, 2021·1 replyMCMIC13
I don’t remember where I heard but Wu Tang Clan members all contribute to each others verses when they get together in the studio
I can't imagine that this isn't a common occurrence tbh
No one writes all of their s*** all of the time.
Sep 9, 2021·1 reply
- Sep 9, 2021·1 replyBrickellBayside
I didn't say he didn't do s*** on his albums.
It's at best murky, to know how much he's writing and producing these days. Like I said above, John Legend publicly said ye hasn't produced s*** in years and Kanye himself admitted to guys writing entire songs for him.
So while you're right in that he definitely plays a hand as a producer as far as what the final product ends up being, he's much more hands off than a lot of rappers that he's compared to.
He said John Legend
- Sep 9, 2021·1 replyg6ntiana
He said John Legend
You know more about Kanye, and his recording process than John Legend?
Tbh if you do then my fault
- Sep 9, 2021BrickellBayside
You know more about Kanye, and his recording process than John Legend?
Tbh if you do then my fault
John Legend isn't with Kanye anymore since years...and he was also ungrateful and a hypocrite towards Ye. That's nothing new but you can trust him of course, you're just delusional then.
Sep 9, 2021He forgot better s*** than you ever thought of
Sep 9, 2021BrickellBaysideIt’s definitely the elephant in the room when discussing Kanye
He’s like Kanye Khaled now
As much as we don’t want it to, it will always be nasty when an acclaimed rapper like Ye is writing as little raps as he does
the issue is that i don’t think he’s always had such a hands off approach and calling him a dj khaled 2.0 feels disrespectful to his classics
Sep 9, 2021·1 replyI think I was in a bit in denial about this.
Always used to think he had help but he always had the most input, bar for bar.
Hearing he didn’t write Violent Crimes at all was a big blow.
Hearing the reference for Jesus Lord is the point at which I cease bringing up Kanye in the arena of great rappers. Great producers, great artists, sure.- Sep 9, 2021BrickellBayside
It’s definitely the elephant in the room when discussing Kanye
He’s like Kanye Khaled now
As much as we don’t want it to, it will always be nasty when an acclaimed rapper like Ye is writing as little raps as he does
